Talk:2024 Venezuelan presidential election

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I do not know what it is worth but is this [1] here somewhere? ReyHahn (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

ReyHahn no it's not anywhere, yet, as far as I know. For two reasons.

1. First, since that recognition is only symbolic (the Spanish gov't has declined to recognize him even though the parliament did), that content really belongs at International reactions to the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election as it is probably undue here.
2. Second, as I was traveling to a wedding and then got sick when I got home, I have fallen behind on updates.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

This entire article is extremely biased towards the opposition.

The whole thing reads as if a Trump supporter who was in the January 6th riot wrote an article about the 2020 US election. I think it should be rewritten. Rares Kosa (talk) 14:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Shameless instrumentalisation of Wikipedia by political partisans. Fairfis (talk) 15:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:VERIFIABILITY to understand how Wikipedia articles are written. Look at the existing sources and text based on the sources. State some reliable sources that are missing and where their information should be integrated. Please check that you have statistical arguments from sources as reliable as those currently used; they are extremely strong in favour of Gonzáles having won the election, and in favour of the CNE results being fabricated; see the article for the sources. Concrete proposals for fixes or more likely to lead to edits than broad statements. Boud (talk) 01:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Fairfis Rares Kosa. No. The fact that the Venezuelan government has no evidence in favor of its position outside of its own statements and that the opposition has an overwhelming number of sources in favor of its point is not the fault of those who wrote the article. Greetings.--FelipeRev (talk) 14:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

you say that "the Venezuelan government has no evidence in favor of its position outside of its own statements" but THAT IS HOW ELECTIONS WORK! Could you imagine if another country was in charge of counting the votes?? because that is what the USA are trying to do here. Rares Kosa (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

No, that's not how elections work in truly democratic countries. AwerDiWeGo (talk) 01:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Rares Kosa No, that's not how election works.

Rares Kosa No, that's not how elections work in any democratic country. Btw, can you answer without saying "USA"? It's unbelievable that the term Whataboutism was invented so many years ago and you still haven't come up with anything better.--FelipeRev (talk) 03:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Rares Kosa, or a Kamala Harris supporter on November 6th writing about the 2024 U.S. elections.84.54.70.120 (talk) 10:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2024

Earl Lawrence 2001:4454:2B3:FA00:F1BD:AA92:97CC:DC80 (talk) 08:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2024 (2)

2001:4454:2B3:FA00:F1BD:AA92:97CC:DC80 (talk) 08:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

About electoral dispute

Unlike other countries, Venezuela doesn't constitutionally grant its judiciary branch control over elections. The court ruling can be called invalid not just for an opposition position but because, according to the current constitution, the electoral body (CNE) is itself an State branch (Electoral Power) and and has the obligation to proclaim an elected president based on the minutes of the vote (never published by the CNE). So if the electoral body doesn't publish the minutes of the vote count, the election will not be legally valid even if Maduro remains in power de facto.

Therefore, it does not seem correct to me, for the sake of the neutrality of the page, to consider the "disputed" nature of the result as finished, regardless of how the de facto reality is resolved.--FelipeRev (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

It's a good point, and well-sourced, that the CNE is one of the five branches of power per the current Venezuelan constitution, and that probably could be made clearer in the article. This is different to most states where the electoral commission is intended to be independent, but is not considered to be a whole independent branch of government. If you have some WP:RS for how that is relevant in this particular case, please give them and someone may use them.

For your overall point, it's not clear what particular changes you're proposing. Boud (talk) 03:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)