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Source for the death toll

Is there any source naming 212 as the estimate for the famine death toll? Shouldn't it be incorporated into the article? Gorgedweller (talk) 09:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removing "95% can't afford a meal" statistic

I've been trying very hard to verify this. What's definitely true is that there was not a report released— certainly not (as is written) on 22 Feb. 2024, the day after the Barrons article used as a reference was published.

This number supposedly comes from a press conference given by Eddie Rowe, the WFP’s Country Director in Sudan, by Zoom— per the 21 Feb. Barrons article and other outlets that have the fact, this was given on 21 Feb. 2024. The closest thing I've found to an official record of this is this 21 Feb. post on X. The fact that this number doesn't seem to exist in any WFP press releases— and I have looked extensively, though I invite others to also look— makes me think it was an unscripted slip-up.

Confoundingly, several other sources, including but not limited to Radio Dabanga, give a consistent set of much lower numbers than 95% from the same video conference: per Radio Dabanga, "18 million people across Sudan face severe food insecurity and '10 per cent of the population, close to five million people, are on the precipice of catastrophe', WFP Sudan Director Eddie Rowe told reporters." Maybe Rowe gave an incorrect number, which whoever was in charge of the X account took and ran, but Rowe corrected himself later in the Zoom. I tried to find a video of the original Zoom, but failed.

The set of lower numbers is supported by an actual WFP press release on 18 Feb. (about Japan's aid to Sudan), which says "nearly 18 million people face acute food insecurity in Sudan, of which nearly 5 million are at emergency levels of hunger (IPC4)". It is unlikely that the numbers would have changed so catastrophically in the 3 days from that report to the Zoom press conference— and if they were, such a development would have been mentioned somewhere else in the last 8 months. Given that the only official releases I can find don't support the 95% figure, and that I don't see alternative reliable sources supporting the 95% figure (Turkey's public broadcaster being unreliable enough that I'm blocked from linking their copy of the story)— I can't even find an Agence France Presse article, and they're the source for Barrons, though if they have an article it might be in French— I'm removing the 95% figure from this article and the main Sudan Civil War article. Placeholderer (talk) 02:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]