Talk:2024 New York City Subway derailment

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Notability

Since the {{notability}} tag has been removed twice, I'm just going to say that I still do not see how the article meets WP:EVENT.

There were no serious injuries or deaths (making this a WP:ROUTINE incident). There have been hundreds of derailments of this nature in the subway system's history; the vast majority of them were non-fatal.
Full service was restored within two days. This is also WP:ROUTINE and seems to violate WP:NOTNEWS - we don't really need a detailed accounting of which trains were rerouted where.
Although the NTSB conducted an investigation, it does this for other derailments that result in injuries.

As it is now, the article is basically simply stating that an accident happened, the only injuries were minor, the incident was investigated, and service was disrupted for a few days. Is there a reason why this can't just be merged to another article? – Epicgenius (talk) 16:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the first collision involving MTA trains since the 1995 Williamsburg Bridge subway collision. I believe that this definitely warrants a mention for that reason above. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the first collision involving MTA trains since the 1995 Williamsburg Bridge subway collision. - That is not correct. The Fairfield train crash happened in 2013 on the MTA Metro-North Railroad. The Valhalla train crash, which involved a train colliding with a car, also happened on the Metro-North Railroad.

Even if you were to limit this to the subway only, that statement is still not correct; In 2000, two 4 trains collided at Fordham Road. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still though, it's been 20+ years since the last MTA subway collision. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 20:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be interesting to hear from Legoktm in this, having been the one who moved it from draftspace. I guess we can AfD it if we think it will have no lasting significance, though a benefit if it had been left as a draft a bit longer was seeing how the story developed. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I jumped the gun on moving it out of draft space (sorry, first time I've closely followed one of these!), I guess I can't just boldly move it back now that other editors have said that it is notable. I would want to do a bit more research on the lasting impact of other minor derailments before voting delete but I wouldn't object to an AfD. Legoktm (talk) 00:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I think once the dust has settled, we can consider whether the topic has had sustained coverage. If it does, no harm, no foul; if it doesn't, we could always open an AfD later. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The way it's heading, maybe we can just add an "s" to the page's title. Tduk (talk) 04:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancies regarding service changes

I know this is probably not a big deal, but during the whole first few days of when this happened, the 1 was fully suspended between 137th St and South Ferry, and the 3 was fully suspended between Wall/Chambers St and 148th St. There's also no mention of overnight 3 service from the south end when it was running between Atlantic and Times Square. The 1 and 3 weren't partially restored until two days after. 108.41.165.149 (talk) 18:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there are reliable sources that could support this, you may add it into the article. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 02:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For instance: 1, 2 109.37.142.196 (talk) 09:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article title and mention of F train derailment

Given this move, which I have undone per WP:BRD, two things are worth discussing.

Is a mention of the unrelated F train derailment necessary here? That is, is there an encyclopedic connection to the 1 train derailment (in other words, anything beyond just a basic temporal "this is the second derailment of a New York City Subway train in a week") that is worthwhile to include in this article?
If the answer to the previous question is "yes", should the title be pluralized as per the previous move?

I have no opinion at this time but do feel that establishing a consensus would be worthwhile here. Thanks. --Kinu ^t/_c 01:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion:

No, otherwise we might as well make a whole article about derailments in the NYC Subway (which may actually be a notable topic, but is not the topic of this article). The only reason it's even mentioned is because it happened less than a week afterward. Otherwise, it was basically a WP:MILL event with zero injuries.
No, the title should not be pluralized.

– Epicgenius (talk) 23:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Epicgenius: I'm inclined to agree with you. If no one else chimes in with an objection, I'll be bold and remove it. --Kinu ^t/_c 16:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]