Talk:2024 Elmwood—Transcona federal by-election

Should the Liberals Be In the Infobox?

Yes, the 5% rule is a guideline. It is not meant to apply strictly to parliamentary elections. When it is applied to parliamentary elections, it is generally supposed to apply to general elections, not by-elections. The only overarching rule is MOS:INFOBOX which says the infobox is supposed to be a summary for the article/topic. Reliable sources are including the Liberal results in articles and graphics. We should follow their lead. Also the Liberals (as the governing party) having a bad showing is an important part of the story here. Every by-election until the next election is going to be a test for Liberal support and is causing commentators to ask if Trudeau will resign. Articles about this by-election are noting that "The Liberal standard-bearer in Winnipeg, Ian MacIntyre, posted one of the worst by-election results for a candidate from the governing party in Canadian history." Omitting the governing party from this table improperly hides that important fact from the reader.-- Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 02:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I think we should drop them. If we follow your logic, then we should be including the four or five major parties in every by-election article, because the media covers them to some degree. I think the narrative of them having a bad result is a bit irrelevant, as the Liberals were not expected to be competitive here in the first place. Also, if we follow our British overlords as precedent, here is a similar example in a recent UK by-election. Notice the Tories were omitted from the infobox, despite being the governing party. -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

We wouldn't have to include four or five major parties. Most RS covering this byelection don't seem to be reporting results for the Greens, PPC or Future Party, or including their results in graphics. Of course, the Bloc don't run outside of Quebec so they aren't included. Election night graphics focused on top three. Many articles since note the poor Liberal showing, but nothing about the result for 4th, 5th, 6th parties. I am not sure what reasoning (if any) went into the decision to omit the Tories in the British example you give. Just saying, it is bizarre to omit one of the Canada's three major parties, particularly when they are in government, and particularly when their poor result in this and other recent byelections in Toronto and Montreal is being cited as a sign of pending electoral doom for that party. I take your point that they weren't expected to win this riding, but their vote share fell to a third of previous support, so low that they do not qualify for Elections Canada rebate, and as CBC reports it is "one of the worst byelection results for a candidate from the governing party in Canadian history". I don't think that narrative is irrelevant, particularly with Trudeau saying essentially that his party needs to do better, "has work to do" the day after the election. Sure, that comment was likely more focused the loss in Montreal the same night, but I don't think it is fair to say the horrible result in Winnipeg is irrelevant. Omitting them, based on the fact that they fell 0.19% below an arbitrary cut off does not seem to be a good way to proceed in the circumstances, particularly in light of how RS have treated this. Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 14:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

By election night graphics, you're referring to CBC, right? I don't think any other network covered the by-elections live. From what I could tell, they were just showing the top three parties for both ridings regardless of importance of those parties. This meant omitting the Conservatives from their LaSalle graphics despite them doing better than the Liberals in Elmwood–Kildonan. All this to say, I don't find your point on election night graphics to be persuasive. As for your other points, they are subjective in nature; they're good points, but in my subjective opinion, we should still leave them out. But we should seek further input from others, obviously.-- Earl Andrew - talk 17:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

The Liberals are one of the three major parties in English Canada and the fact that they got less than 5% is notable, particularly since they are the governing party, so I vote for including them in the infobox. Wellington Bay (talk) 17:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

To my knowledge, Ian MacIntyre wasn't really considered a notable candidate in himself before the election. So, I don't think we should include him in the infobox because of arguments who are not directly bound to his candidacy, which are him doing a historically bad result in a by-election as a candidate of the governing party and him being included in articles and graphics about the results of the election. Punker85 (talk) 20:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Late to the topic, but I went through with it anyway due to the precedence set across the pond. The PPC also had a notably strong decline from their result here in 2021 yet they are not included. Patriot of Canuckistan (talk) 17:38, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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