Talk:2024 Democratic Party presidential candidates

Cenk Uygur as a major candidate

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This was raised several months ago on the main article on the primaries and there have been and continue to be some comments with useful points, but I don't really think there was an attempt to actually measure consensus.

I was probably one of the larger detractors from including Uygur as a major candidate because I felt that the coverage was not sufficient because it only covered his announcement, but now that it has been two months and he continues to get some coverage, I've somewhat re-evaluated and think that based on the criteria as written, Uygur should be a major candidate. So number one, does everyone agree?

Uygur is not a natural-born citizen, and is ineligible to become President. It's not Wikipedia's job to determine this on our own. However, Uygur has already been kicked off the ballot after filing a valid petition in New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, and Arkansas due to not being a natural-born citizen. Additionally, he also did not make the ballot in Iowa, Alabama, Maine, Tennessee, and Florida. He's only on the ballot in Oklahoma, where he might be kicked off too,. If Uygur is unable to even make the ballot, the rationale for calling him a "major" candidate is incredibly slim because his chances of impacting the election are zero.

One solution that I would tentatively support is adding Uygur as a major candidate but remove him if he is excluded from the ballot in states with more than 1843 pledged delegates. This will allow the lawsuits regarding Uygur on the ballot to play out in court, and exclude him from being a "major candidate" if it is not possible for him to win the nomination. Thoughts?

 ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 22:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Not a major candidate. The only news coverage that Uygur gets is him getting kicked off ballots. Phillips and Williamson have both had major reporters covering their campaigns and both have done major TV interviews. Uygur simply has not. His eligiblity to be President is irrelevent, he's not a major candidate. Esolo5002 (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

The campaign has been either covered or mentioned by several major outlets, and some notable reporters. (David Weigel, Kevin Landrigan) Other than Youtube, radio or podcasts, the most mainstream TV-interviews are probably C-SPAN's Washington Journal, The Hill TV and NewsNation. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 18:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• A major candidate, in a small field. As I stated in the original discussion, I believe the media coverage is sufficient. And although the polling criteria hasn't been met yet, I think the fact that there are three polls should be a point in favor on the media coverage assessment. The candidate has cited the small primary field as part of the impetus for running, and I think it's fair to consider here. I don't know to which extent the courts could compel his inclusion on the various ballots, but the candidate has hired attorneys Brad Deutsch and Dwayne Sam, and repeatedly pledged legal action. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 18:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Not a major candidate. The fact that he's ineligible to be president is already something. Like Esolo5002 mentioned, the only major news coverage about his campaign is about him being ineligible to be president and/or about him being kicked off the ballots due to his citizenship status. However I would argue him being ineligible to hold the office is relevant as there's near certainty he'll ever be elected in the first place due to his citizenship alone. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that most of the news articles are either about his announcement, ballot access issues or just mentioning that he is in the field. However, there are several exceptions. The Atlantic, Axios, the BBC, the Guardian and the New York Times have all included him on their lists of candidates. Mediaite, Newsweek and other outlets have also covered his comments on the Israel-Hamas conflict. Then there's The Hill's piece on his campaign's finances, as well as the interviews I've already mentioned, some of which cover various issues. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 14:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Not a major candidate. Clearly not eligible to run and barely has any supporters. Would be different if he polled anything, had a prior office, or a sizable amount of people willing to vote for him, none of which sources have established he has. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

He's at 1-2% in three polls, in which Phillips was at 1-6% and Williamson at 7-12%. According to the table, apart from three apparent outliers which have Phillips at up to 11%, he's between 2-6%, usually around 4%. Williamson ranges from 4-13%. Also, Uygur claims that the FEC has ruled that naturalized citizens can run, but that the Article 2-dispute concerns serving in the office. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 14:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You've made your case. Please refrain from replying on each counter-argument. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Not a major candidate Coverage on him being kicked off a ballot is not evidence of him being considered a major candidate, nor is a story that calls him ineligible or calls his campaign "quixotic." GreatCaesarsGhost 16:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Adding this for reference. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 22:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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Cenk Uygur forum participation

Both Williamson and Phillips took part in a forum with Cenk. Logo can be uploaded from his campaign site. Can't myself for a few days per Wiki bylaws. --FightingWhales (talk) 20:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what you’re trying to do here. If you want to talk about a debate, the debate page is 2024 Democratic Party presidential debates and forums. If you want to add Cenk to the “major candidates” section, being a major candidate and having a picture in that section is not conditioned on debate participation. However, Uygur does not have ballot access sufficient to win the primaries, and consensus has determined he does not meet the requirements to become a major candidate (see discussion above), so he won’t be added to that section until consensus changes. If you want to upload an image, you can upload pictures to Wikimedia Commons, which can be used on Wikipedia, without any restrictions on accounts. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 21:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

To be Honest. The Only way both sides win is if you make a "Other Candidates" Section. Similar to what they did with binkley in the Republican presidential candidates article. 47.20.46.230 (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

No other candidate has ballot access in 10 states, which was the requirement to get a table for the Republican page. And there's already a minor candidates section. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 21:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Marianne Williamson

I'm confused, I thought she dropped out a month ago. 🤔 GamerKlim9716 (talk) 16:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, she did. Then she changed her mind after the Michigan contest. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 16:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)