Talk:2024 Alberta New Democratic Party leadership election/Archive 1

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Hi all - with the first candidate announced, it's time to have this discussion. Should we hold off on adding candidates until they are approved? That is what was decided at Talk:2022 United Conservative Party leadership election. RoyalObserver (talk) 17:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I would support that. Lilactree201 (talk) 22:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Municipal politicians endorsements

Regarding my previous edit updating endorsements edited to remove Miyashiro as he was not deemed prominent, just want to point out others of the other major political parties which their leadership races have specifically municipal politicians in endorsement sections.

2022 CPC leadership has municipal, but admittedly only those with active Wiki pages and 2013 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election completely omits municipal.

2017 New Democratic Party leadership election, however, does have municipal councillors listed under endorsements, as well as 2022 British Columbia New Democratic Party leadership election. 2014 Alberta New Democratic Party leadership election and 2023 Ontario New Democratic Party leadership election goes even further to have former candidates listed.

While Miyashiro might not be notable enough for a Wiki page, an 8 year city councillor for the 4th largest city in a province of 4.5 million certainly seems relevant in a Provincial context as well—beyond the fact many other federal and provincial Canadian leadership pages do include municipal politicians. Divinxx (talk) 23:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Would love others to weigh in, since I'm the one who removed Miyashiro.

I'm of the belief, and based on past pages, that only WP:N municipal politicians should be added. Miyashiro does not warrant a wikipedia page, and outside of local politics is not a notable official. Arguably, there are others outside of politics in Calgary, Edmonton, etc. that would be considered more notable than him yet we would likely exclude as well.

I wasn't involved in the 2023 Ontario ND wiki, but I would've likely recommended excluding non-notable FORMER municipal politicians and former candidates. I think the 2018 Ontario PC leadership was a noteworthy exemption for candidates, given the timing and their influence just before an election.

I think including current municipal politicians could be up for discussion though.

For my argument, I'll cite the practice used at 2022 United Conservative Party leadership election, 2017 United Conservative Party leadership election, Endorsements for the 2022 Conservative Party of Canada leadership election, 2013 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, 2022 British Columbia Liberal Party leadership election.

Would love others to weigh in. RoyalObserver (talk) 18:01, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I think the standard of having a Wikipedia page to be included is a good rule to follow here. It provides a clear yes/no answer for inclusion and avoids having arguments about the notability of many kinds of officials. Lilactree201 (talk) 21:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. If the person is notable enough to have a Wikipedia page, I think it likely should be included. If not, then it shouldn't. That said, generally I support creating a fork for these as was done in the case of Endorsements for the 2022 Conservative Party of Canada leadership election. Unfortunately, endorsements often take up far to much room and damage readability of election articles. If the number of endorsements remains manageable it is fine to leave them in this article. If not, I would support moving them to a separate article about endorsements only so that the few this information is important to can still find it, but it will not damage the readability for others. As is often done with opinion polls, we need to be mindful of WP:NOTSTATS. Creating a fork and then summarizing the information in the main article is often a good way to deal with long overly detailed sections.-- Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

As the person who put Miyashiro in, I think it is totally fair to exclude him, as long as there is a clear line notability, and as Royal Observer put forward that if any current municipal politicians endorse anyone—we could revisit this discussion. I do find it a tad frustrating that there seems to be so much variability across pages for this topic though.

I would be pro creating a spur endorsement line should more people throw their endorsements in the ring, but we are still early doors and do not know how many endorsements or candidates are still to come. As of right now, still seems to be a very manageable level of readability. Divinxx (talk) 07:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I think one exemption could be Gil McGowan. He's been rumoured to run. If he throws his support behind another candidate, I think he's noteworthy enough due to the coverage of his own potential candidacy. Thoughts? RoyalObserver (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I think the exception where there is extensive coverage of someone running (and thus they are already mentioned in the article), may mean it is appropriate to say they declined to run (or dropped out) and endorsed someone. Perhaps we deal with that exclusively in declined candidates section, instead of the endorsement box or instead of both places.-- Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)