Talk:2023 WXV/Archive 1

Archive 1

Separate matches article

@Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel: Your recent edit summary suggests you prefer seperate articles for the divisions. This seems excessive for a competition this small in scope and notoriety, especially compared to the World Cup. If you do insist on having these intricately detailed tables of players, officials, substitutions, ect. for every single match, would you be willing to compromise for a single article compiling match details, à la Super League XXVIII results? We could name it 2023 WXV matches, perhaps. — AFC Vixen 🦊 20:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

No.

This competition is not a league like the Super League or Super Rugby, nor is it a major tournament as the World Cup. You either split the article, leave it whole, or put games in a single collapsible section. Otherwise, it is a mess. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 16:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

But... that's what I'm literally asking you. Do you want to have it split? Because this seems like a very efficient way of splitting it; one parent article and one supplimentary article similar to 2023 Super Rugby Pacific season and List of 2023 Super Rugby Pacific matches. The alternative split, one large article and three very small nine-match articles, seems inappropriate here. Otherwise, we can leave it whole, but we're going to have to forgo the excessively detailed tables for readability sake, and you seem very opposed to that. — AFC Vixen 🦊 16:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The actual spilt I'm talking about is the split of competitions. One article per tier of competition, not the whole module then a separate article for the games. The competitions are not small in scope as there are nine games per tier, far more than the Pacific Four's tally of six which seems to be going well without any need to get rid of it. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 18:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

On the contrary, the 2022 Pacific Four Series article looks great without massive roster and personnel lists, and starting 15s graphics. The "Report" hyperlink for each match suffices for further reading, as Wikipedia does not exist in a vacuum. In any case, those exist as articles because they're about singular tournaments; this is also a single tournament, and thus should be kept as a single article. — AFC Vixen 🦊 20:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

By the way, some inquiries into your recent edits. Why do you insist on a longer, clunkier lead sentence that repeats "WXV" and "2023" twice? If your issue was that "first edition" could be mistaken as a competition title, then we can easily not bold font it; MOS:BOLDAVOID permits this. Why did you re-link country names when I made it clear that MOS:OL does not permit this? (See MOS:GEOLINK also). Why did you remove spacing from section headings that make it easier for editors like me to identify them? What's wrong with {{Rugby box collapsible}}, and why did you remove many parameters that {{Rugby box}} shared in common anyway? Why did you reduce the amount of matches in each division from nine to six? Why did you remove the WXV 3 play-off match? — AFC Vixen 🦊 21:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The facts just don't care about your feelings. The team sheet is there because it is informative. That is how it works for every single international competition... male and female.

The Pacific Four by the way for last year is getting a revamp very soon. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 22:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

It’s less my feelings and moreso the feelings of the people who wrote that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This is not a sports database, this is an encyclopedia, and your “that’s just how it is” arguments are unsubstantial and threat to ruin another page is childish. Are you at least going to attempt to answer any of the concerns I raised about your edits from today in particular? — AFC Vixen 🦊 22:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

It is genuinely the most boring experience arguing with you. I am not interested. Anything I say, you seem to have a problem with. In the end, you are not going to be the one there when it actually gets underway. The first sentence of an article addresses the title. That is Wikipedia 101. I do not need you deliberately saying everything is garbage because it isn't. Any general reader who comes across it is not going to be interested in how revolutionised an article by simply changing to your own whim. If you really insist doing you way, go to EVERY article, EVERY Six Nations, EVERY Rugby Championship, EVERY World Cup, EVER Premiership, EVERY Top 14, EVERY URC, EVERY Premier 15s, EVERY Super Rugby, EVERY Pacific Four and EVERY Lions tour and waddle it down to your simplicity. I do not care until you too are lazy to do it so you pick out one Top 14 season and one WXV. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 23:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

If you’re not interested, then stop this nonsense reverting, reverting, reverting of every single thing that I do and then having a big sook when I question you or attempt to compromise with you. If you have no answer in particular for country wikilinks, the rugby box changes, and the ten matches you removed, I will be restoring those in due time. For the other issues discussed here, I will attempt to seek mediation. — AFC Vixen 🦊 23:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel: I see you've again removed the collapsible rugby box and nine matches, while offering no explanation here, or in your edit summary. Please properly explain why you think a rugby box without a collapsible option is better, and why you think those nine matches need to be removed. — AFC Vixen 🦊 19:04, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

@Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel: Once again asking for an explanation for the rugby box formatting changes and the missing matches. — AFC Vixen 🦊 10:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel: Why are you now starting to remove sections of prose from the article? You can't seriously think "gibberish" is an adequate explanation. I've sought a third opinion for the rugby box dispute, but I'd still like an explanation for the missing matches. If you continue being silent, I will have to restore them again, and if you revert it again, I'll have no choice but to once again report you to the administrator's noticeboard. — AFC Vixen 🦊 07:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

There is nothing related between the rubbish I got rid of and the tournament. Its relevancy belongs in another article where it already is... Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 13:00, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

You don't think the background to the European play-in is, at the very least, relevant? I think a short one- or two-sentence profile of recent Spain v Italy encounters would be completely harmless. I'm also still seeking an explanation for the nine missing matches. — AFC Vixen 🦊 15:23, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

All the qualification stuff is relevant, but saying Italian-Spanish rivalry history is not. It is not an article about that. Saying England and Canada are playing each other before the tournament is also relevant. What is only relevant is the game they have with each other during the tournament. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I never said I wanted a dissemination of the Italian–Spanish rivalry, just a short profile of their recent encounters would suffice as a background, similar to what was done for Colombia v Brazil. This will also be my final time asking for an explanation for the missing matches. — AFC Vixen 🦊 16:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Still, you don't need it, it is not a World Cup final where the teams previous meetings really matter in any build-up. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

And you are also going to need to imply what these "missing games" are. There's 27 games, 6 per tier, and the play-off between the WXV 3 last ranked team and the next best ranked team not in the WXV. I put all of them in. None are missing. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Yet, we're going to have all these team sheets and personnel for every single match like it's a World Cup? I'm confused by the scope here. Also, 27 divided by 3 does not equal 6. It's 9. There are even sources being used in the article now that state things such as "the teams will play nine tests during the tournament",^[1] and "each match weekend venue hosting a standalone Friday night Test followed by a Saturday doubleheader".^[2] — AFC Vixen 🦊 19:06, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Let me rephrase it then.

There's 27 games, 9 per tier, and the play-off between the WXV 3 last ranked team and the next best ranked team not in the WXV. I put all of them in. None are missing. Mikey'Da'Man, Archangel (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for finally re-adding the matches. I’ve gone ahead and corrected dates and venues, and made some changes to links per MOS guidelines. — AFC Vixen 🦊 01:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Compression of WXV 1 section

@Tamariki: I'm curious as to what exactly the philosophy was behind this change you made to the "WXV 1" section, if it wasn't made in error? — AFC Vixen 🦊 04:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

It was an error sorry, I didn't realise that I had removed so much until now. Tamariki (talk) 05:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)