Talk:2023 United Auto Workers strike

Strike status - edits saying the strike has ended should be reverted

The article claims "The strike came to an end in the last week of October as the automakers made deals that largely matched the UAW demands, starting with Ford, followed by Stellanis and then General Motors. " but the linked article does not say the strike is over. It says the strike is suspended: The union officially suspended its strike against the Detroit Three. UAW local leaders will come to Detroit on Friday to consider the deal with GM, before taking terms to all union workers for ratification. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-reaches-tentative-deal-uaw-131907014.html?guccounter=1

Typically, and in other articles about strikes, the strike end date is listed as the point of formal acceptance by the union and company of the new agreement, not the point at which a tentative agreement is reached. For example, in this article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Virginia_Volvo_Trucks_strike#First_strike_action , the union announced workers would return to work on May 3, 2021, yet on May 16 the union rejected the deal. In no way did the strike "end" upon initial suspension of it; as the page indicates, that strike action continued, and later another action occurred as well.

I deleted the section saying "finally bringing an end to the strikes" for now. We'll see how things go and add the results of the union vote once it happens Catboy69 (talk) 31 October 2023, 4:13 PM (UTC)

October 30th is the correct end date to the strike, given that the UAW instructed workers return to the job. See, for example, here: https://uaw.org/uaw-reaches-tentative-agreement-general-motors-bringing-ultium-cells-workers-master-agreement/ Nobody is striking the Big 3 right now (the UAW instructed all workers at Ford, Stellantis, and GM back to the job). That has been true since October 30th. This was described almost unanimously as the end of the strike in the press, and this is a good example of one such article: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/uaw-reaches-deal-with-gm-ends-coordinated-strikes-against-detroit-automakers-2023-10-30/. Contrary to what you are saying, it is very normal for strikes to end before the final membership vote, in fact that is probably the most common ending. The WGA strike is the most recent example of this. That strike ended weeks before the membership voted on the contract: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike The article that you have cited correctly lists the two respective Volvo strike actions that took place. If workers fail to ratify this deal, and *IF* the UAW goes on strike again, then there will be a new date to reflect the resumption of the strike. OhYesMa'am (talk) 02:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I think that the article should reflect both the fact that the workers have returned to the job, and the fact that the "formal" end of the strike may only occur after the vote. At least some reliable sources say that the strike only "formally" ends after ratification votes (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/10/30/gm-uaw-tentative-agreement/). We may need to wait until that vote to get clarity on exactly what language and dates to use, due to the conflict in public reporting, but I don't think we can definitively say that the strike is over given that 1) some public reporting contradicts this and 2) if the workers reject the deal (however unlikely that may be) it will result in a continuation of walk-outs. TocMan (talk) 18:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 15 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved as uncontroversial. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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United Auto Workers strike of 2023 → 2023 United Auto Workers strike – "of" is an antiquated descriptor that should only be used for historical articles. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Support if we move the United Auto Workers strike of 1945–1946 to a similarly-formatted title for consistency. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Labor costs in lead

I just deleted a bit of prose from the lead that was redundant/summarized the labor cost breakdown, and I noticed some disagreements in the edit history. I figured it was worth making a talk page post for discussion! Regarding the labor cost figures, I don't think makes sense to include the detailed breakdown in the lead. The section/context for those figures are specifically related to EV manufacturing, which was not specified in the lead and if added would probably be undue (per MOS:LEADREL). I've rephrased to a one sentence summary (per MOS:INTRO). This also avoids the lack of qualifier for the 136/h as a third-party estimate. I'm open to alternative views though!

I'm also wondering if it might make sense to create a new section wherein the disputes between the automakers and the union can be integrated? The lead could then be updated to include a summary of those issues instead of focussing on a single issue that is significant but also part of a larger whole (which did make it feel a bit WP:UNDUE). I'm happy to write something up, just not sure what the best heading would be, but hopefully discussion leads (pun intended) to some good ideas! Goodlucklemonpig (talk) 00:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I like the changes you made. The LEAD summarizes and isnt used to promote content or POVs. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 01:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Trump remarks and potential future visit

Let me open by saying that I'm aware of WP:TRUMPNOT. Is there consensus/opposition to including Donald Trump's remarks in support of the strikers and that fact that he has made mention of joining the picket line? Other similar remarks, either in support of or in opposition to, are also included in the Reactions§Politicians sections. I'm not sure if this is premature, I'm sure it will be added if/when he does join a picket line.

So that didn’t end up happening, lol. Thanks, MicrobiologyMarcus (talk) 16:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Impact

I was wondering if this is a reliable for the article saying that the strike has cost the economy $4 billion dollars. https://realeconomy.rsmus.com/the-uaw-strikes-potential-impact-on-u-s-auto-sector/ This following source won't be acceptable per WP:FOXNEWS: [https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/united-auto-workers-strike-cost-us-economy-new-record Cwater1 (talk) 17:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

We might want to wait until it is over, as this number will be constantly changing, and economic estimates are often revised after several months, so a full accounting (parts suppliers, restaurants in factory towns) will need to be estimated. ---Avatar317^(talk) 23:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

This is low quality content, sourced from some so called economic consulting firm. Probably a PR operation by the union to say the strike is important to those other than the car companies and union members. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 23:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)