Talk:2023 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hameltion (talk · contribs) 01:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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Hi PCN02WPS, I'll review this in the next couple days.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Comments

General comments

• Publishers/stations like National Collegiate Athletic Association, Associated Press/AP News (use one name), WOI-DT, ESPN should not be italicized in refs (realize this is out of GAN scope)
• Work names (The New York Times, ESPN) occasionally not wikilinked in some refs (ditto)
• No copyvio concern; Earwig highlights only trivial phrases and proper names

Lede

• MOS:BOLDAVOID is a pet peeve of mine, but I won't hold the present lede (The 2023 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game was the final game of the 2023 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament) against this nom; I know that's how many other sports match FAs/GAs do it. Still, I suggest considering rewriting the first sentence to avoid redundancy and get to the important info quickly, as tennis articles tend to do. An advantage of this is that when hovering over a link to this article, the preview would helpfully begin, "The LSU Tigers defeated the Iowa State Hawkeyes 102–86 ..." (e.g.)
  • Totally get what you mean - I'm a little hesitant to change this since this sort of intro is the only thing that's ever used for basketball articles like this (and football articles similarly). PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Include appropriate summary of Media coverage and Aftermath sections in lede
  • Added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks. (I trimmed middle para for probably too much detail there.) Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Participants

• ref2 doesn't mention 15–1 conference record
  • Added another. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• ref4 doesn't say that Arkansas was a ranked team (this source focuses on the Jan 19 game, not Dec 29 when they were still ranked). Also doesn't say that they were the "one other" ranked team LSU played
  • Removed this bit, not really relevant. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "As a top-four seed, their home arena" dangling modifier
  • Fixed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Not quite: "As a top four seed, LSU hosted ..." Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
      • Oops, I see what you mean. I think I actually fixed it this time. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• "first and second round", "second round matchup", etc.: add hyphen (e.g., "first- and second-round") when phrase is used as adjective (in both LSU and Iowa sections)
  • Fixed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "ended up winning by seven to advance to the national championship game" missing ref?
  • Right you are. Added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• ref13, unless I'm missing it, doesn't seem to say this was Iowa's first loss of the season
  • Decided to just go with "before suffering a loss to Kansas State". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "Caitlin Clark earned consensus national player of the year honors": unfortunately there's no List of U.S. women's college basketball national player of the year awards like men's to link to yet. Consider redlink?
  • Added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "Iowa City; and they" comma instead of semicolon?
  • Changed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "They won 77–73 over defending champion South Carolina, who were undefeated at 36–0, to reach the finals": In my memory, this Final Four game was just as and perhaps more hyped than the final, and I would expect to find a bit more detail about it here than just one sentence (such as odds, viewership, etc.) if sources support that
  • Good point, added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Game summary

• Since most of this play-by-play comes from a single database source – though that's fine for WP:Verifiability – I have some abstract WP:DUE concerns, but nothing in the text jumps out at me in particular
• Lots of redlinks here, but I think most of them are appropriate
• "Iowa had regained the lead": drop "had"?
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "LSU retook the lead within the minute": "a minute" instead of "the minute"?
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "until McKenna Warnock made a free throw": consider "Iowa's McKenna Warnock", though the next sentence implies her team
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "though two jumpers by Morris": "before" instead of "though"? or split up this sentence – a lot of scoring in one sentence
  • Switched to "before". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• The fourth quarter sentences feel generally wordier than the rest of the recap; consider trimming phrases like "in the contest", "to play", and generally splitting up long sentences
  • Tried my best to be less flowery and broke up a couple sentences; if there's still stuff that needs fixing, let me know and I can do more. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Definitely reads better now. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• ref35 says "season-high", not "career-high" assist total
  • Fixed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "set a new record with 191 total points over the course of the entire tournament": drop "new", "total", and/or "entire"?
  • Kept "total", nixed the other two. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "scored in a game during the season" unlink "season"
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "Additionally, LSU's 59 points in the first half also": don't need "also" with "additionally"
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "The next night, Reese's cousin Jordan Hawkins ..." missing ref?
  • Added, with alteration to the fact since source doesn't mention "first time". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Two images appropriate and licensed

Media coverage

• ref38 says "most-watched women's college basketball game", not "women's basketball game"
  • Fixed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Consider adding something that puts this game in context of increasing interest in the sport (such as This Is Not a Moment in Women's Basketball. It's Momentum.)
  • I couldn't access that link since I don't have a NYT subscription but I tried to add some stuff about basketball and women's sports as a whole. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
    • @PCN02WPS: Here should be a gift link. The CNBC source isn't about this game/tournament and so the info is kind of superfluous – too detailed about other things. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:01, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

    I've gone ahead and taken that CNBC addition out. Feel free to add anything relevant from the NYT article but just the one sentence currently there is enough for GA. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Aftermath

• I appreciate the matter-of-fact language in this somewhat difficult section
• "similar actions, instead, receiving praise" drop second comma – or split up this and other sentences in this section into shorter, more manageable sentences
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "responded to the criticism by saying that it was": shorten to "said that the criticism was"?
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "she was 'too hood'": maybe "she was considered 'too hood'"?
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "ghetto": change link to Ghetto#Modern usage and reinterpretations of "ghetto"?
  • Done. I wasn't super confident in my selection for that link in the first place - this one makes more sense. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• "LSU announced that they will hold a championship parade": use past tense here and later; consider finding source from after the event?
  • Removed the stuff about the announcement and just talked about the parade itself - also added a ref from afterwards. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Perhaps include a photo from Category:Louisiana State University Tigers White House visit (May 2023)
  • Added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Additionally should ask to include and cite the actual White House visit. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Done. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS: Hope that this is a reasonable number of asks in a GAN review, most of them small grammar things. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS: Just checking in that you've seen this and want to make revisions, in particular for the handful of missing refs and (slight) failed verifications. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hameltion Hi, sorry for the delay. I am planning to address your comments, though I've been traveling a lot lately and haven't had much time. I will get to them in the next few days if that's alright with you. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS: Great – no rush, just wanted to make sure you'd seen. :) Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS: Good work so far, about four or five things left I'd appreciate your comment or action on but nearly there. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hameltion Thank you so much for your patience - I believe I've finished up addressing the last of your comments so the page is ready for another look at your nearest convenience. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

No problem. The article's in a pretty good state now. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.