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Moved, 30 October 2023, from 2023 Israeli ground offensive in the Gaza Strip to 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, see discussion.
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Islam Hijazi

Islam Hijazi, the director of the Heal Palestine association providing medical support and humanitarian aid in the Gaza Strip, was murdered by Hamas members near Sade Hospital in Khan Yunis. Why: she did not transfer donation funds.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bk5hpt7ar#autoplay https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ry00kqzera https://news.walla.co.il/item/3694361 2A0D:6FC0:830:7400:2002:FAC0:EF8:25E8 (talk) 15:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vague language supporting misleading claims of casualties

The sentence "After Palestinian militant groups led by Hamas launched an attack on Israel on 7 October 2023 which saw a minimum of 1,139 largely non-combatant individuals killed" suggests 1139 persons were killed by Palestian militants. In reality part of that number was casualties from "friendly" fire, on base of the Hannibal Directive. VanderlekD (talk) 00:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that adding something about the friendly fire/Hannibal Directive should be implemented. However it has to be stated that the exact number of people killed by the directive/FF is unknown and likely will not be known, unless the coroners get more freedom to publish information.

I was also going to suggest adding on something in regards to the larger specifics (military vs civilian), but since it is one sentence in the Background section, it is likely not needed. Propork3455 (talk) 21:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the Palestinian casualties were also due to friendly fire, for example the Al-Ahli hospital explosion, (according to some) and many smaller instances of malfunctioning rockets. We still count them in the total of Palestinian casualties. Per WP:NPOV we shouldn't overemphasise this just for one side of the conflict. Alaexis_¿question? 09:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere is it stated that the Gaza Ministry of Health does not distinguish between militants and civilians when counting the dead. Also, the fact the UN has not independently verified any numbers from Gaza means they are not reliable as of now. The UN does not recognize the count and states this on their website. Wordsmatter101 (talk) 03:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“Casualties in the context of the ongoing hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel, which started on 7 October 2023, will only be added to this page once these incidents have been independently verified. Until then, reported figures on those are included in our Flash Updates and Snapshots. By contrast, data on casualties in the West Bank and Israel in other contexts is updated regularly beyond 7 October 2023.” 1

1. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties Wordsmatter101 (talk) 03:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israeli invasion of the Gaza strip edit request on 29 September 2024

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CommieDirty (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rainsage (talk) 23:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 October 2024

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What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

I think that we should remove some of units listed under the Israeli side and keep only:

Israel Defense Forces

Why it should be changed:

There are 4 different changes in here:

1. Currently, there are many duplications. For example, the 'Egoz Unit,' '89th Brigade,' and '98th Division' are all listed separately from each other, giving the impression that they are fully separate units, even though the 'Egoz Unit' is part of the '89th Brigade,' which is part of the '98th Division.' Most of the removed units are due to these kinds of duplications.

2. There isn't any unit called "39th Division".

3. "Israeli Combat Engineering Corps" are corps not a unit (each engineering unit is under some other unit).

4. Placing the different divisions under 'Israeli Ground Forces' is intended to make the hierarchy clearer.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

"1st brigade" and "7th Armored Brigade" are part of 36th Division.

"933rd Brigade", "401st Brigade", "84th Brigade", "5th Brigade" and "215th Artillery Brigade" are part of 162nd Division.

"35th Brigade", "89th brigade", "Duvdevan Unit", "Maglan unit", and "Egoz unit" are part of 98th Division.

"261st Reserve Brigade" is part of Gaza Division.

"900th Brigade" and "179th Armored Brigade" are under 99th Division

"Kiryati Brigade" is under 146th Division

"Harel Brigade" is under 252nd Division Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 17:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Cite error: The named reference auto4 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Frantzman, Seth (30 October 2023). "Israel presses its offensive into Gaza". FDD's Long War Journal. Archived from the original on 31 October 2023. Retrieved 30 October 2023.
^ Jaffe-Hoffman, Maayan (27 October 2023). "WATCH: Elite Israeli Navy unit destroys Hamas infrastructure overnight". The Jerusalem Post. Archived from the original on 1 November 2023. Retrieved 1 November 2023.
^ Tegler, Eric (6 December 2023). "Israel Is Bringing Its Sa'ar-Class Missile Boats to the Gaza Fight". Forbes. Archived from the original on 18 February 2024. Retrieved 18 February 2024.
^ "Police say Officer Arnon Zamora dies of wounds from hostage rescue op". Time of Israel. Archived from the original on 9 June 2024. Retrieved 8 June 2024.

EDIT REQUEST: Update the number of goals of the military campaign

Current incomplete wording:

Israel's campaign, called Operation Swords of Iron, has two stated goals: to destroy Hamas and to free the hostages.

Suggested new wording:

Israel's campaign, called Operation Swords of Iron, has three stated goals relating to Gaza: to destroy Hamas, to free the hostages, and to ensure that Gaza can no longer pose a threat to Israel. A fourth stated goal aims to safely return residents of the north to their homes amid near-daily rocket and drone attacks from Hezbollah since October 8, 2023.

Rationale:

Spokespeople within Israel since the early days of the war have mentioned THREE stated goals:

1. Destroy Hamas military and governing capabilities

2. Free the hostages

3. Ensure that Gaza does not pose a threat to Israel and the civilized world in the future.

(the last is worded differently in different sources, e.g. https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800280)

Recently, a fourth goal has been added:

4. The safe return of the residents of the north to their homes

(e.g. https://www.timesofisrael.com/return-of-displaced-northern-residents-to-their-homes-becomes-an-official-war-goal/)

I don't have enough edits to change this myself. Currently the entry is not complete and needs to be updated.

Sorry, I see that some of the edit requests look more official, and I'm sure there's a button somewhere that I'm missing to make this an official one, but I've tried to make it as clear as possible.

Thanks! Tzivia494 (talk) 08:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Plutonical (Talk) 12:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Start of invasion

The article states that Ground Troops entered Gazs on October 27h, yet in the Info Box it says October 7th. Plese be coherent. The "Invasion" started NOT on October 7th 185.40.63.174 (talk) 08:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HAMULA

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'An official in the Gaza Strip told N12 that "Hamas activists also directly take part of the humanitarian aid that goes to Khan Yunis and the humanitarian area in Mawasi. They get there, take the aid and distribute it to whoever they want, or sometimes sell it and with this money they pay the activists In their ranks. In fact, Hamas is taking the food from the mouths of the residents.' https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/036814c74a0e1910/Article-230432925fe8291026.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802

[auto4-1] Cite error: The named reference auto4 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[2] Frantzman, Seth (30 October 2023). "Israel presses its offensive into Gaza". FDD's Long War Journal. Archived from the original on 31 October 2023. Retrieved 30 October 2023.

[tjp27oct-3] Jaffe-Hoffman, Maayan (27 October 2023). "WATCH: Elite Israeli Navy unit destroys Hamas infrastructure overnight". The Jerusalem Post. Archived from the original on 1 November 2023. Retrieved 1 November 2023.

[4] Tegler, Eric (6 December 2023). "Israel Is Bringing Its Sa'ar-Class Missile Boats to the Gaza Fight". Forbes. Archived from the original on 18 February 2024. Retrieved 18 February 2024.

[5] "Police say Officer Arnon Zamora dies of wounds from hostage rescue op". Time of Israel. Archived from the original on 9 June 2024. Retrieved 8 June 2024.

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