Talk:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights

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Worldwide/India rights

There has been discussion and suggested edits have been received well and incorporated into the article. To prevent this devolving into debate on editing practices, closing. If you want to further discuss how to list broadcasters, please open another discussion. Kingsif (talk) 03:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Meganinja202 and Aleenf1: Before this becomes an edit war, can you both explain what changes you want to make and why. Kingsif (talk) 23:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am doing a review of the list based on languages of Broadcast (Canada and USA) and regions that will have FIFA+ or not, it started from Brazil where broadcast on FIFA+ will follow the same way of last year Males World Cup (Simulcasting with CazéTV streaming channel).

I am following the PDF already posted as sources in the article and the TV Programme on the official tournament website

The India rights had poped up in few articles from indian websites during my search for english articles about the Brazilian case. Meganinja202 (talk) 00:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you try to explain your changes, not your thought process. E.g. "I want to add X because Y" Kingsif (talk) 00:33, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So far what i had done vs the last edit before mine

Update Brazilian broadcastIt wasnt updated right, dont list FIFA+ and Cazemiro´s Sports Live Stream Channel
Add FIFA+ to countries where FIFA+ will show the cup games live alongsde a local broadcaster, like in Brazil
Put the Multilanguages of USA, Canada and Caribeean channels

Rights on USA, Canada and Caribeean are split by language, Canada has English and French, while USA and Carebeean rights are split by English and Spanish.

Update Indian Rightsit looks that it needs updated since they had sub-licenced with new channels
Update any minor stuff that may be missed (eg. Colombian Rights)some channels had been missing on the list like the Colombiian channels (it has RCN only, missing Caracol and DSports), others dont have the name of channel rights it seems

Meganinja202 (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here, we are listing the broadcasters, not the channel they will throw into, as well as the languages they will, we are not EPG provider, so as who will produce the content. As far as my concerns also, FIFA didn't mention which country was unsold, so it shouldn't listed as "worldwide", so as in-flight and in-ship where it didn't stated it is "worldwide". While FanCode and DD is completely within India. --Aleen f1 01:09, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure that is abut the broadcasters and not the channels, the Canada case is due the usual legal tenders that tend to happen in English Language and French Language, but if you consider the fact that bell media is exclusve owner its ok as well. Meganinja202 (talk) 01:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So @Meganinja202 and Aleenf1: it looks like Meganinja has been specifying within the table which channels the broadcasters will use for their broadcasts. Aleen says that this is outside the scope of the list. Based on the title-as-scope ("broadcasting rights") and the content at comparable 2022 FIFA World Cup broadcasting rights, I agree with Aleen: broadcasters only.
In the same way, specifying languages seems out of scope.
A more complicated question is how to treat FIFA+ and the "worldwide" broadcasting. I think a discussion should be opened on these (FIFA+ and worldwide). Anything else? Kingsif (talk) 01:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was replying about the language issue when you had posted

I was trying to post the language consiidering the legal tenders: In certain regions, languages are considered "different" Regions/Countries, specially in USA where the rights are usually sold in 2 split legal tenders for English and Spanish like if they were "different countries" (some random quick exemple i had got on a quick search, but FIFA also sells this way) so i am not listing the channels but instead the respective broadcast by language.

Second about the CazéTV case, as i said Cazemiro is a person has multiple streaming channels about various themes and video cuts of the main broadcast channel (CazéTV) so i decided to put CazéTV beacuse 1- most of Brazilian Media is reporting CazéTV as broadcast owner instead of Cazemiro, and 2- official list of FIFA on TV Programme is listing CazéTV instead of his name, I decided by logic put his name this way Meganinja202 (talk) 01:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

3 quick side-notes by the way

1- I am Brazilian, this entire question has surged firstly beacuse i wanted update the Brazilian info to put FIFA+ and Cazé as broadcasters to fit the Brazilian info i have and know, but looking further i saw FIFA+ will show on more countires than just Brazil, so i assumed that a better explanation would be Worldwide (Execpt some Regions) would be fitting for the list

2- I am suprised that other wikipages dont take Legal Tenders splits as consideration for extra info since it happens already for a few years and some new pages like Copa America 2024 already consider such 2 languages legal tender like if was two regions splits.

3 I dont know why he assummed this was about the indian rights, I just had put the indian licenced broadcasters as a extra edit besides the FIFA+ ones on the list.Meganinja202 (talk) 01:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While there are different tenders for different language markets in some areas, adding this clearly caused confusion and there should have been discussion. There are some events where the language market is relevant - Eurovision, Copa America - and it is formatted as another column. The World Cup is not an event where Wikipedia typically includes that, but we can have a discussion on the merits of doing so.

You say that, due to name confusion of the Brazilian broadcast within local media, you wanted to change the broadcaster name to a channel name. If this is under COMMONNAME, it is probably fine. However, you also added FIFA+ to Brazil while you were at it, then realised FIFA+ was noted as Worldwide, then decided to remove that note and add it individually to all the relevant regions; this is excessive and not necessary.

I think that it is acceptable to use common names (however, with correct wikilinks) for the Brazilian broadcaster and, as mentioned below, DirecTV. I think that FIFA+ should not be repeated throughout the table and just the separate note of worldwide (with restrictions) suffices. I think we should have a separate discussion on including language markets. If all this is agreeable, I will revert the article to before the edit conflict and you can implement these improvements. Kingsif (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am ok with the discussion about the split of regions by language, it would be a intresting discussion for long term not just on this article but in other related, sign me in.

About FIFA+, my last review had changed the list to instead of put FIFA+ on all countries that wiill be shown, put the * in most countries and only add FIFA+ in 2 cases, the Brazilian case where the FIFA+ is a simucast of another channel, and the Italy/Netherlands case where they wont show all games, they will show only the games that the main rights holder of region wont show, i think that it is notable enough to put.

About CazéTV i will add under, COMMONNAME Meganinja202 (talk) 23:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think i had discoveried the cause of the mess

Maybe editor confused DD Sports with DirecTV Sports, now called DSports

Those are 2 different broadcasters, one cover Latin America and Caribeean and another is Indian only channel

To clarify on article i will use DirecTV Sports (the old name used until 2022) instead of the new name but now linking to the new name page Meganinja202 (talk) 19:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have also added notes about which producers the broadcasters will use, please do not do this. Kingsif (talk) 23:09, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK undersood Meganinja202 (talk) 23:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be centralise all the things, languages will be filter out and FIFA+ as per stated subject to change. --Aleen f1 23:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which languages they broadcast, will NOT affect the broadcasting rights, and also invite more edit conflict the languages use. --Aleen f1 23:14, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think your trouble are you really did the EPG way rather than encyclopedia? IOC granted 64 territories on YouTube yet it just put a phrase there rather than put in down to the list. Is not way of surprise FIFA+ as FIFA own FIFA OTT service given free access to numerous countries. --Aleen f1 23:39, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to review the list in a way that make things easy to tollow and find, specially since many look the article to know where the tournament will be broadcast in their local region, not in EPG way, but keeping informative as possible so readers can find what they are seeking from the article.

Also about FIFA+, FIFA had posted the list of supported countries in various different pages (exemple 1, exemple 2) Meganinja202 (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Way too informative that putting something which NOT affect the broadcasting rights, like a blogger. --Aleen f1 00:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What you mean blogger? Meganinja202 (talk) 01:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wikipedia is not a place where you need to reproduce as what it have in the news sources, and somehow all the way i see this and biased, while centralised all is the best way to avoid conflict. --Aleen f1 07:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a consensus as described by you? You talk yourself and you act yourself? While some even factual error... --Aleen f1 09:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stuff is carrying the Sky content, they didn't have own rights. When you put asterisk, you just biased to asterisk those countries, i'm rather leave it with references since FIFA+ give to free access rather than a "Rights holder". The language is not significantly affected the broadcasting rights. --Aleen f1 09:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also FIFA stated "subject to change", they can give you free, they also can take it back, such a remote statement. --Aleen f1 09:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: About FIFA+ and Language Split

So the initial consensus (from what i had got so far) is that we should put a * next to countries with a TV right that has FIFA+ broadcast, and leave this as it is, any disagreements about it?

Also about Languages, should the fact that FIFA does split language rights tender be put in the list? in special the fact that in USA, Fox Sports broadcasts in english only, and that Telemundo broadcasts in Spanish only?
Meganinja202 (talk) 23:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Meganinja202, I am very confused why you felt it necessary to open an RfC in order to continue this discussion with Aleenf1. Please refer to the policy on creating an RfC: WP:RFCBEFORE. I recommend doing a procedural close of this RfC. Simply withdraw this RfC on your own, and we can all avoid having to go through the regular RfC hoops. Simply reply, "I withdraw this RfC" below, and another editor will remove the RfC header above. I believe your RfC was made in WP:good faith, but I don't believe it's the right solution for your clarifying-seeking questions above. Penguino35 (talk) 18:40, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I felt beacuse i wanted seek help from people that otherwise wouldnt show up on this talk page, seeking 3rd party opinons and comments that may be different and suggest alternetives to deal wth the issue Meganinja202 (talk) 06:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]