Talk:2022 United States railroad labor dispute

BNSF, court injunction to prevent a strike

[1], plus the bottom of [2] cover this. Probably it belongs in the Background section somewhere. Legoktm (talk) 03:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Potential sources for the Background section: [3] [4] [5] [6] aismallard (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Expected impact of work stoppage

We probably want a section on what the impact of a potential strike/lockout would be and how it relates to the existing supply chain issues given that there's been a lot of coverage of it. Legoktm (talk) 04:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that should be mentioned. I created this Wednesday night thinking I'd have time to expand it the following day; instead I got swamped with work but I see other editors have taken this far beyond the stub I created. I will add more to the article this weekend. I will also create an article on the 1991 strike soon. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Union ratification source

[7] This would be a good addition, as most other sources we have now seem confident a strike is averted. aismallard (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Pay and increase?

As of 2022-1-05T06:50, the last paragraph of the section on "Presidential Emergency Board" says, "Early on September 15, Biden announced a deal had been reached to prevent a strike, including an immediate 14.1% wage increase, but only one sick day per year rather than the 15 unions wanted.<ref name=":2" /> The deal must still be ratified by rank-and-file members of the unions, however it is likely that no strike will take place for several weeks regardless of the outcomes of ratification votes.

That reference is also used in a subsequent section to support the claim that, "Following Biden's announcement that a deal had been reached, Amtrak announced it was resuming normal service on September 16." I don't find that claim in that reference, either.

I cannot find any of the claims in that reference, which is cited three times. I am therefore removing that reference AND the three claims. If someone wants to restore those claims, please provide a reference that clearly supports the claims OR help me find the text in that reference supporting them; I was not able to find them when I looked (and searched) for them. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

References

DavidMCEddy (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, the claim in <ref name=":2" /> regarding one sick day seems superseded by more recent news. I apologize for doing this, but I am deleting that reference as well with that entire paragraph, because I don't have time to research this further at the moment.

I hope someone more familiar with this issue than I am will improve this article. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 07:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for noting these issues, I'll take a look tomorrow to see if I can address them! Legoktm (talk) 06:08, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the paid day off, here's WaPo on Sept. 15: "Union leaders had pushed for 15 days of paid sick leave, but the proposed deal landed on just one day." The Intercept: "The new agreement, which represents a marginal improvement on the tentative agreement rejected by workers in late October, ensures only one new paid day off for workers". NYMag: "On the key point of leave, however, the railroads conceded only a single paid personal day..." Legoktm (talk) 06:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

And found a cite from the Miami Herald about Amtrak service. Legoktm (talk) 06:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. A friend admonished me recently to be careful about what I say, to make sure it's supported by solid evidence ;-) People are killed each day today, largely because of a propaganda war -- press censorship. Regarding the Ukraine war, the press censorship is appalling in the US and Western Europe and worse in Ukraine and Russia, per Medea Benjamin; Nicolas J. S. Davies (15 November 2022), War in Ukraine: Making Sense of a Senseless Conflict, Wikidata Q115253268

This railroad union conflict is not the Ukraine war, but it's still subject to biases in media owned and controlled by major corporations, who are hostile to any suggestions that the poor and middle class deserve a reasonable share of the benefits of productivity improvements, as documented in v:Social construction of crime and what we can do about it. DavidMCEddy (talk) 06:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Article title

If it's been ongoing since 2019, why does the title pin it down to 2022? Surely it should be 2019–2022 United States railroad labor dispute. And is it still ongoing into 2023 as the infobox claims, or was it resolved in 2022? Hairy Dude (talk) 13:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The dispute really flared up in 2022. At the time I created the article, a strike was imminent. The strike ultimately didn't happen and the article was moved to its present title. A change in title may be appropriate here. Exactly what it should be, I'm not sure. The 1991 and 1992 United States railroad strikes (still need to make an article for the first one) have clear titles because the central event was a strike. Here it's not that simple. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah...that mostly reflects my thinking too. Yes, contract negotiations began in 2019, but it didn't really escalate and get major news coverage until 2022 when the PEB was convened? So a title like 2019–2022 isn't wrong per se, but if you asked someone about how the railroad labor dispute was going in its second year, 2020, they'd have no clue what you meant.

As for whether it's still ongoing, it kind of is? But also not at the same level of dispute there was before? Like CSX implemented a sick leave deal in 2023, and there's continuing legislative and public pressure on the other railroads to do so. From NPR: "In fact, more discussions are already underway, with unions reporting they have reopened negotiations with other freight railroads to add paid sick leave."

And then with the 2023 Ohio train derailment front and center, the labor dispute is once again coming up because of safety factors and criticisms of PSR (see e.g. TNR coverage). Legoktm (talk) 03:45, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

CSX, NS, and UP have all agreed to give at least some employees sick leave in the past month. Biden has been using the bully pulpit to push for paid sick leave, unions have been fighting for it for a long time, and with the NS derailment that company especially is under huge pressure to make positive changes in the way it treats employees. These are things we should mention in this article (I see CSX is already mentioned), here's NS and UP. I expect BNSF, KCS, CN, and CP to follow within the next few months. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Update

Should this be updated after resolution? Right now the article reads as if it was left unresolved and Biden hampered the unions but https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid indicates the unions approved of Biden's handling. Does anyone know if any other union involved wrote a post dispute summary too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.36.50.104 (talk) 02:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Reactions and impact

Should a section be added to contain reactions to the strike, actions by the administration, and the long term outcome? I removed a quote from the "congressional intervention" section because it had nothing to do with congressional intervention. I think it also would provide some important context to discuss the outcomes, such as how IBEW ended up securing sick leave for workers after the strikes were broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.162.41 (talk) 19:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, we should expand the article with some of this information. Several other railroads have agreed to give their employees sick leave in the aftermath of the events. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)