Talk:2022 Somali presidential election/Archive 1

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Direct election?

Is this really going to be a direct election? The source that references the statement 'They will be the first "one-person-one-vote" election since the country's military coup in 1969' (which in itself is incorrect, as such elections took place in 1979, 1984 and 1986) appears to be referring to the planned parliamentary elections – in the final sentence it states that the candidates "will seek the votes of 275 members of the House of the People (Parliament) and 54 Senators (Upper House).", which suggests this is going to be an indirect election. This article states that 'the President’s election by the new Parliament [is] slated for February 2021'. Number 57 23:28, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I see the one-person one-vote statement has now been removed, but the claim that "The initial plan was for direct elections to be held in 2020" does still not appear to be supported by the source in question (the same one referenced above that states that presidential candidates will seek the votes of MPs). The Brookings reference mentions changing from a direct to indirect system, but is referring to the parliamentary elections, not the presidential ones (as it links to this paper, which states 'the law should, in theory, allow citizens to directly elect their representatives in the parliament for the first time since 1969']) Number 57 23:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: Yeah, that was a good catch. The first sources I'd found said so, but this ended up not being the case. A bunch of different sources were saying different things over the course of the last couple years -- once I got up to current articles, I had to go back and fix everything, lol. I think everything is good now (i.e. everything agrees that in February the president did sign legislation to make it a direct election, but that got shitcanned in September, and the sources support that). It is a little bit confusing, though, so I'd appreciate if you could give it a look-over again (the sources seem conflicted on whether there was ever a plan to have the president directly elected, or whether the "ambition" was to have a direct election for parliamentarians who would then elect a president). jp×g 00:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

As far as I can see, there is no reference to direct presidential elections. I have changed several sentences where the statements did not match what the sources said. Number 57 23:19, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the help! jp×g 23:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Deadline passed

The deadline for the elections has passed. See BBC News Africa. BSMIsEditing (talk) 08:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Intro paragraph

The incumbent president, Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, has been in office since the February 2017 election and his term expired on 8th February 2021. Since then the federal state Presidents of Puntland and Jubaland and the Council of Presidential Candidates no longer recognise Mohamed as the President of Somalia, but he refuses to leave office, despite public protests in Mogadishu during which peaceful protesters have been shot and killed by government forces and opposition leaders have been targetted in assassination attempts.

I made the above addition to the intro paragraph and would like to open a discussion about it here so that a consensus can be reached on it's accuracy and that it is a true and unbiased reflection of valid media reports, as it has been reverted by a new User: CrazyMoMoCheese without discussion or edit summary. Amirah talk 18:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay that is inaccurate. Firstly, there has not been a agreement on the electoral model between the Federal government and Federal Member states. This is due to the opposition from Jubaland and Puntland presidents. Secondly, the Federal Parliament of Somalia passed a law allowing for an extension of the Federal institutions back in October 2020 in a situation where there is no election model agreement upon to ensure no power vacuum. That is the legal framework underpinning the situation.

Just because candidates of the Presidency do not recognise the current caretaker President, doesn’t mean he has no legal mandate.

Thirdly, the protests that you’re talking about started with an attempted coup in the early hours of the morning. In fact the airport was bombed. I don’t think that’s peaceful. In reality, the rebel general Indha Cade declared no government in Muqdisho on Friday morning.

I don’t think that seems to me as a peaceful protest. I think you should really read around what’s going on the ground before you convey some simplistic viewpoint from a few BBC/Washington articles don’t know shit about Somalia CrazyMoMoCheese (talk) 16:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@CrazyMoMoCheese: Please see WP:TALKPOV. My edits are accurate reflections of what has been written in the sources. You have made it clear that you do not believe the sources (BBC and Washington) are accurate. You have not given any sources yourself for what you have said above. If you wish to add any points to the page you can do so, but you need to cite your sources. You are telling me to 'read around'. If you edit the article, properly quoting your sources, then I will read your edits and also the sources you quote. If the sources which are used in an article are disputed, it's possible to 'tone down' the wording of an article by adding 'according to the BBC' for example, rather than deleting the text entirely. If there are accusations in an article by a named person it is also possible to reflect the name of the person who made the accusation in Wikipedia to make it clearer where the media got the information they published. Amirah talk 01:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I do have sources from the UN, AU, IGAD, Somali Gvt, US Embassy Mogadishu. I’ve got plenty. You’re rely in news outlets sister. That’s not reliable, I think any sensible would agree.

Why am I not posting my sources? I don’t have the time to searching everything single thing. I live alive. But I just don’t like disinformation the way you’re putting it.

Thirdly, this discussion is over anyway because the so-called Council of Presidential Candidates have reached an agreement with Somali Gvt last night. So you need to change this article regardless lool.

Good luck mate CrazyMoMoCheese (talk) 10:10, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

I was unable to send a few links for you so can listen to the agreement reached last night.

Midowga Musharaxiinta and representatives of the Federal Gvt including the PM Rooble reached an agreement for the sake of the Somali people. You can check their personal responses on YouTube. Search SNTV or Universal TV etc.

So I don’t think you can argue that the government isn’t legit based on quotations from the opposition.

It was just a political deadlock, not some dictatorship and oppression. That’s fake news. CrazyMoMoCheese (talk) 11:14, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

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