Talk:2022–23 FC Barcelona season

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CLARIFICATION FOR LALIGA PROVISIONAL POSITION

Hello editors,

I have added a clarification for the casual users/readers to see the current numerical position in the LaLiga standings. In parentheses I have added the remaining matches that are left so that the position in the classification ends up becoming final. An occasional reader could confuse a provisional classification with a definitive one since not everyone knows its duration or the beginning or the end. In other parts of the world the championships start and end at other times. and for a user from Brazil or Russia (whose championships have different dates) they could interpret that the classification was the final. In the remaining competitions, it is specified at what moment these are, since it specifies the rounds in which they are currently or if, for example, the team is currently in the Round of 32 of the Copa del Rey. Therefore, I think that in the LaLiga competition we should specify until it becomes a final result, on which day or how many games are left for it to be final. Vicpumu (talk) 18:48, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ADDED CONSECUTIVE SEASONS ENTERING TO UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

Hello editors,

I have added to the header the consecutive seasons that Barça has been competing in the top European competition (UEFA Champions League). There is practically no club that can come close to these figures and it becomes a relevant information. Vicpumu (talk) 20:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jordi Alba and Sergio Busquets appearences issue

Hello,

There is an issue about the matches played by Jordi Alba and Sergio Busquets that needs to be clarified because there are different numbers on the players page and the 2022-23 season page in Wikipedia. While FC Barcelona website credits 430 and 683 matches for each player (today august 30), the rest of websites dedicated and specialized to football statistics, credit 431 appearences for Jordi Alba and 682 for Busquets, giving all the details of matches played giving details about every match played every season, and that's the statistic that can be seen on the players page after years of editing. FC Barcelona website give 1 official match to Busquets in the 2006-07 season for one match played on Catalonia Cup, when Busquets still played on the youth team, and competition which has no official status. Busquets debut took place on 2008. (https://players.fcbarcelona.com/es/jugador/133-sergio-busquets-sergio-busquets-burgos). FC Barcelona tends to credit more matches than really official ones. So, I just would like that if we agree to follow the official FC Barcelona site statistics, we correct the players page, because it makes no sense to have different numbers in 2022-23 season page and the player page. Even though, to me, it makes no sense to count as official match one that does not have this status. We made clear this difference on the page "List of FC Barcelona records and statistics". Finally, I'm asking to any editor who can credit which match didn't play Jordi Alba to count 430, and which official match played Busquets to make 683, to please edit and demonstrate what matches are we talking about, to finally correct the Alba and Busquets page if necessary. If that's not possible, then I'm asking to put on the 2022-23 page the numbers that can be seen on the players page and the Records and Statistics page here in Wikipedia.

Thanks. Erminameraz (talk) 08:14, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just read your explanation regarding the match differences about Alba and Busquets. Let me tell you that the Copa de Catalunya match is considered an official match. It is organized by the Catalan Football Federation. and it is a body just as competent as the Royal Spanish Football Federation. The official statutes of FC Barcelona specify that the tournaments promoted by the Catalan football federation (it must be remembered that FC Barcelona is registered with said entity) will be recognized under equal conditions as the Spanish federations since FC Barcelona defends the activities of that region. It should be remembered that FC Barcelona has a unique documentary center in Europe where they modify and review statistics on a daily basis. I feel more comfortable with the FC Barcelona official website, so I would stick with the official statistics. Let's see what other editors say. Thanks for the explanation! Documentation Centre: https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/club/documentation-center 62.57.104.142 (talk) 10:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw that in the Sources section at the bottom of the statistical table it is very clear that the data will be taken from an official sources: Barça, La Liga and UEFA 62.57.104.142 (talk) 10:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course, these are the main sources. But sometimes, it can be a conflict about how we consider official matches. It happens also with FIFA. What I don't understand is why we are nou counting one appearence to Busquets when we never did that to Xavi or Iniesta. And, ironically, neither FC Barcelona did! But if we decide by now to follow only FC Barcelona site, then we'll have to start modifying the pages in conflict. And then Xavi won't have 767 appearences, which is the number FC Barcelona count him. There has been a change of criteria in FC Barcelona. If we make that change now and we brake the way we make the count before, I will of course accept that. Thanks for your answer. Erminameraz (talk) 10:54, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answer. You are partially right. I mean, of course it's a competition organized by an official federation (Federació Catalana de Futbol) which is, also, part of the Spanish Federation. What I mean by it's "not official" is that this competition is not played by the first team of FC Barcelona. We can see that many times, and, in this case, by seeing how Busquets played one match of this competition when he was 18 and he still wasn't a professional football player, because he made the debut with FC Barcelona B in the next season, 2007-08. Usually is played by FC Barcelona B squad or, in this occasion, by the youth categories (Juvenil A when Busquets played that match). This competition, although has recognition by one autonomous federation, I insisit is not played by the core of the official squad. Regarding Jordi Alba, I still don't have any editor crediting what's the match he didn't play. Can you help? And, finally, I insisit with my demand. If we consider correct the FC Barcelona statistics, then we need to modify the players page and make it clear. Because this open a conflict, which is that players like Xavi, Iniesta, Valdés, Pique... who have played this competition, don't have it counted. So if we now count this match to Busquets, we'll need to modify, be the same criteria, many pages. Untill now we never did that. Finally, I insist that if we follow FC Barcelona site, we still have to clarify Alba situation. Thanks! Erminameraz (talk) 10:45, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Still about Busquets, to me is to strange, if you want to credit the Catalonia Cup match as official, that the same FC Barcelona don't recognize it as official, as you can see at the same page you deliver as the main source. The date of the debut: September 13th 2008 as a date debut. https://www.fcbarcelona.es/es/futbol/primer-equipo/jugadores/4963/sergio-busquets

FC Barcelona don't have the same criteria to count the matches of different players. Untill today, at least Wikipedia did. I know it's not the end of the world, but at least at Wikipedia I tried to have consistency and not different criteria of matches of different players. We'll see what you or others say! Erminameraz (talk) 11:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree that there has been a change of criteria on the part of FC Barcelona. But I want to remember that recently there has been a change of board of directors, you know what I mean.. Historically there have always been disputes with the statistical issues about the players but also with the tournaments organized by official entities. For example, UEFA (and some rather contrasting media) do not recognize the Fairs Cup as an official tournament. On the other hand, FIFA does consider it official and it is added as official titles to the FC Barcelona FIFA page since they were the organizers. Since there will always be endless controversies and discussions, I think it is best to rely on the official resources and thus leave aside the interpretations that can be made in each neighborhood. I think it's a pretty interesting discussion. I'd like to know what other editors think about. 62.57.104.142 (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right that the discussion can be endless. If I'm trying to discuss this situation it's just because I see there are so many right sources out there supporting my view and we are focusing, ironically, to one that, over years, I can prove that they still don't have a clear idea about their own numbers. It's frustrating to rely to a wrong and changing source. Let me just, to finish, prove that again with another fact that FCB it's possibly not the best source to edit FCB stats: FC Barcelona, at the time they celebrated Jordi Alba 400 match and Busquets 600 (with two different boards) didn't count the Catalonia Cup matches.(https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/news/2380397/jordi-alba-makes-400th-barca-appearance) (https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/news/1968447/600th-appearance-for-sergio) So we are following a mistaken source. And to me it's sad to know the truth escapes just because one information added to FC Barcelona site I don't know when, and information they don't follow for other reasons, is followed in Wikipedia after so many years following the right path. I hope now someone will correct the players page. And waiting to someone domenstrates me how FC Barcelona has erased one match played by Alba! I see that no one here talks about Alba situation... and is the one that puts FCB in a wrong place. I really would like to know what match he didn't play if FC Barcelona site is so realiable... Erminameraz (talk) 12:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Assists

Can we make an extra column for the assists as well? CLAWSOFHADES (talk) 18:15, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've got the numbers, I just don't know how to edit CLAWSOFHADES (talk) 18:16, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]