Talk:2021 in the United States/Archive 1

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Lieutenant governor of Kansas

The current person listed as the lieutenant governor of Kansas in the incumbents section at the top of the page is out of date by one day; that person is now the treasurer of Kansas and he has been replaced SRD625 (talk) 02:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Governors and lieutenant governors

In the governors and lieutenant governors section, shouldn’t we also include the mayor of DC, and the governors of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the other United States territories? They are part of the United States so why are they not included? SRD625 (talk) 20:28, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree, they should be added. TomCat4680 (talk) 06:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Anyone willing to do that? Because I don’t know how to format it properly SRD625 (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Bullet points

@ TomCat4680 and everyone else who keeps wrongly formatting entries – can you please learn to use bullet points properly? When you delete an entry that forms one of two entries below a date (i.e. leaving just a single entry), the bullet point needs to be removed, the entry taken back so it aligns with the date, and then an ndash inserted to replace what used to be the bullet point. This happens so many times, where people just leave a bullet point on a line below the date, which is wrong, and then I have to clean it up. I'd really appreciate if you would please learn the correct format.

Below is an example.

• January 20
  • Joe Biden is inaugurated as the 46th President of the United States.

^ This is wrong and needs to be formatted as follows:

• January 20 – Joe Biden is inaugurated as the 46th President of the United States.

If more entries are subsequently added for January 20, then they become bullet points, indented and placed below the date.

Thank you. Wjfox2005 (talk) 17:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Um you didn't clean this one up, I did. Plus I've fixed a lot other errors like unformatted sources from IP's so I don't see why you have to single me out. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:08, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

You fixed it on this occasion (after I'd made this talk post). But whether you realise it or not, there have been various occasions in the past when you've left entries formatted wrongly. I mentioned you, but indeed there are others who do it, and it feels like 90% of the clean ups are being done by me. Wjfox2005 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

That number seems pretty high. You also never fix any of the aforementioned unformatted sources (I pretty much always do), and I also add probably half of the new material. TomCat4680 (talk) 19:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

You did it again. Wjfox2005 (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

So you came here and complained instead of correcting it just like before? What does that accomplish? How bout stop the fingerpointing and just fix the problem and move on with your life? TomCat4680 (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Clarification request for VP and President inauguration

Given that the VP sworn in is the first Asian, Black and the first woman in US history, won't it be fitting to place Harris in addition to Biden in the inauguration? Awaiting for opinions. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 08:51, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Feel free to add it. Wjfox2005 (talk) 08:34, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I shall reinstate it. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 17:03, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Disagree as we don't list the vice president in these situations. GoodDay (talk) 18:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

This occasion is different though @GoodDay:. She's the first female, first Black person and first Asian person after 48 white guys were in the role. All of that is notable and worth mentioning. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Must disagree. She's like the 48 before her, vice president of the United States. That office doesn't come in blue or pink. The office itself is 'gender-neutral'. GoodDay (talk) 18:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

48 out of the 49 of the occupants were white guys and you think that's gender (or racially) neutral? That's hilarious! TomCat4680 (talk) 18:44, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Technically, there's no restriction on gender, but the fact that this is successful makes it worthwhile to make this an exemption. See 2009 and 2009 in the United States articles, Barack Obama was indicated as the first Black president. Isn't that the same? (my bad, that's only mentioned in the 2009 article) TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Obama was the president though, not the vice president. Plus he's male. At least mention she's the first female and first Asian in either role of the executive branch. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I would think so too. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 18:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

If Harris became US president, then I'd agree to including her here. GoodDay (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

First female, first Black person and first Asian after 48 white guys mean nothing to you? In almost 232 years of having vice presidents? You've gotta be kidding me! TomCat4680 (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

See below. I was mistaken, as some of these articles 'do' include the veep. GoodDay (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

One editor (at the time) agreeing with you, doesn't make a consensus. GoodDay (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I would like to think if that's the case, then let's give it 3 days to debate. Once the debate passes, action will be carried out. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 18:44, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

At least exclude her image. These article are suppose to focus on the US president. GoodDay (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

The executive branch is two people not one. VP Harris should be included because of all the firsts she became. TomCat4680 (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

See below. I've already conceded on the matter. GoodDay (talk) 19:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I've done some further research on these Year in the United States articles & indeed have found some that do include the vice president in this manner. Therefore on that established practice (which I'll implement on all these Y in USA articles), I'll agree to the inclusion of Harris & her image. GoodDay (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

FWIW: I've completed the veep additions to all the other Year in the United States articles, where required. Thus bringing this article in line. GoodDay (talk) 21:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Great job @GoodDay:. TomCat4680 (talk) 23:30, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the clarifications, that settles it. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 02:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

The VP should be stated on every year in the US article. Jim Michael (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Governors and lieutenant governors

The new Rhode Island lieutenant governor hasn’t been added to the list, the start date for North Carolina lieutenant governor Mark Robinson is incorrect, and the governors and lieutenant governors of Puerto Rico and the other territories as well as the district of Columbia haven’t been added SRD625 (talk) 20:46, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Fireworks Explosion in Los Angeles

User ItsKesha deleted entry regarding this event. The user needs to provide the objective standard being used to determine this entry as "not remotely important." Thank you. PhillyHarold (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Incumbents

@PhillyHarold: Will you please respect WP:BRD, WP:ONUS & stop adding in the entire Supreme Court members. We don't include the president's cabinet members & we don't include all the senators & representatives. Thus we shouldn't be including the associate justices. GoodDay (talk) 04:46, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Sources required

Please remember per WP:V, sources are required for ALL entries, even if the subject has its own article. I've had to add them numerous times. TomCat4680 (talk) 14:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Why disrupt consistency?

Why was the 'Death section' split off into a separate article. This isn't done for the preceding Year in the United States articles. GoodDay (talk) 04:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. It should be reverted. Wjfox2005 (talk) 10:53, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

When was the NJ gubernatorial election?

The New Jersey gubernatorial election occurred on November 2, 2021. Not on November 3. Even though Murphy was declared the winner on November 3? all the ballots were in November 2. GoodDay (talk) 23:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Arkansas and Tennessee bills

Regarding the Arkansas and Tennessee bills, I understand the argument for including language that is taken directly from the legislation. However, bills such as these are typically written in a partisan manner and as a result it is more appropriate to word sections discussing the implications of these bills using information gathered from sources such as news articles. The sources included in this article regarding these two bills both indicate that they are intended to target transgender youth, regardless of what the legislation or those who crafted the bills claim; And if those sources seem insufficient, there are many others that can be included such as this one and this one. Of course, these are just my thoughts so if anyone else has their own please feel free to share. Scoutguy138 (talk) 02:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree that bills can be partisan in nature. However, this is a list of notable events, so I think it is appropriate to state the bill of note and its actual provisions. The partisan language of the bill doesn't need to be included, but I do think that it is important to be specific as to what the bill actually enforces. The intent of the authors of the bill is not a notable event. The two edits in question are:

"The Arkansas Senate passes HB1570, a bill prohibiting access to gender-affirming care for transgender minors, including reversible puberty blockers and hormones." Which I edited to..."Arkansas Senate passed [sic], HB1570, a bill that prohibited [sic] normally functioning and physically healthy minors from puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and genital and non-genital invasive surgical alterations."

And..."Transgender discrimination – Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee signs a public school "bathroom bill" into law. The legislation denies transgender students and staff in public schools access to facilities aligning with their gender identity." Which I edited to..."Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee signs public school "bathroom bill", HB1233, into law. The bill specifies that schools must comply to reasonable requests made by students and staff to provide them with access to a reasonably private bathroom that is restricted to occupants of their same sex."

If my information is incorrect or less accurate in any way, then I would be happy to change my edit. However, I did find the previous edit less precise than mine and I believe that calling a controversial bill discriminatory is in violation of the neutrality guidelines. Especially since the question over what should be considered discriminatory is currently a highly controversial topic. It is not a neutral term. Again, I read both House Bills and made my edits accordingly, but I would be happy discuss revisions to my edits. (I just don't think it is useful to undo entire posts, including useful sources.) Veritas Devotee (talk) 03:02, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

What if both sections on the bills were revised to include perspectives from proponents of the bills as well as critics, noting the stances of each? Since this is a list of notable events, wouldn’t it be beneficial to provide a full and complete picture to readers on the passage of these two laws? That way provisions of the bills and the viewpoints of their supporters are included as well as the viewpoints of critics. Issues such as legal actions that have arisen as a result of the bills' passage could also be covered. Scoutguy138 (talk) 03:46, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

How would that look? That makes sense for a Wikipedia page on each of the bills, but most of the notable events post have been pretty short. Could we maybe edit the description of the bill to make it more neutral, but then leave the longer descriptions to Wikipedia pages that deal with the House Bills? I don't know if any such Wikipedia pages exist. If not, we could always start one and provide a link. Just a thought. Veritas Devotee (talk) 18:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Notable?

I deleted an event because it was more of an argument against a news personality than an event. However, this brings up an interesting question. Should controversial statements made by news personalities be considered notable? Too me, unless a controversial statement or argument starts to trend, it is not notable because news personalities say controversial things all of the time. What makes something notable is if people take note of that thing (or statement). Comments?

There is additional non-neutral commentary that is clearly meant to portray Tucker Carlson in a negative light. Even if the event itself is notable, there is no reason to add negative commentary to the event. This page is not about Tucker Carlson. The edit portrays a very non-neutral tone. Unless there is a good reason to keep this added commentary. I am going to delete the commentary and just leave the event itself. Otherwise, anyone could add there own one-sided commentary to the events one this list. Especially those events surrounding controversial comments made by news host/anchors. Veritas Devotee (talk) 18:37, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Death section

Why was the Death section gutted out of this article? GoodDay (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

It's been spun off to 2021 deaths in the United States, probably because this article would be very long had that not been done. Jim Michael (talk) 13:14, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

May 14 Questionable Description

Can someone review and fix the May 14 entry on the TN bathroom bill? It cites a questionable right-wing source and seems to place an emphasis on how the bill is "reasonable." Elsewhere in this article similar bills are rightly identified as transgender discrimination. Perhaps not as vocal an adjustment as that, but a revision would be preferable, as this does not meet the standards of neutrality sought by Wikipedia. FlyingKitten2024 (talk) 00:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

555Soman

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555Soma

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Gamestop

Is the GameStop stock short squeeze really prominent enough to be included in the lead? It's very niche relative to most of the items on this list. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Update: I've replaced it with another weather event to better align with the events in that sentence. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

10 references for Alcee Hasting's death?

April 6: "House Representative for Florida's 20th congressional district Alcee Hasting dies at age 84 from pancreatic cancer." Does this event really need 10 references? Covingtonfan56 (talk) 09:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)