Talk:2020 Guinean parliamentary election

September?

Since we are now in September, do we have any evidence this election is actually going to happen this months?--Batmacumba (talk) 20:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Batmacumba: Good question. I did a quick search for "Guinée législatives" and there definitely seems to be an election campaign, but I also found a couple of articles that said they were due to be held in 2019.[1][2]. These and sources suggests January 2019, so shall we take that as the best estimate right now? Number 5 7 20:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and it should be removed from the 2018 election calendar.--Batmacumba (talk) 21:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers

@Number 57: In the document by the Ceni, the number of votes per party seem to be the sum of the left column ("Suffrages obtenus") and right one ("Reste des suffrages"). Only then do you get to the total of 2 879 944 valid votes. Note that, like with the referendum, those are preliminary results from 84,20 % of the voting stations. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 19:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: Thanks, I couldn't work out what the issue was. The numbers are still very odd – numerous parties with vote totals ending in 0... Number 5 7 19:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The right column is due to the way the seats are given. There's no percentage threshold, seats are allowed by using the "quotient national", made by dividing the total number of valid votes by the number of seats (here 2,879,944/76 = 37,894). Lists gain a seat for each time they get that quotient. For example, RPG with 1,591,599 votes got it 42.0013 times, so it got 42 seats, and 51 remaining votes. The remaining "unused" votes are totalled for each parties, and because of fractioning there were 6 remaining seats. The latter are given to the parties with the biggest number of unused votes, including those who had no seats by the quotient national method. Thus, and I'm realising this just now, I'm pretty sure the numbers shouldn't be added for the parties who had no seats in the left column, as the unused votes are just their votes in the first place. Yet the right column does make a total of 113,681. I don't quite understand either. That and the numbers often looking like round up are maybe due to the results being provisory and a partial count of 84,20 % of the total. Electoral fraud is also possible considering the situation.--Aréat (talk) 19:57, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I decided to leave the numbers out for now as something about them just doesn't look right. Let's see what happens with the final results... Number 5 7 20:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Better to just wait.--Aréat (talk) 00:32, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57: Well, the constitutionnal court published the definitive results, which only contain the number of overall valid/invalid votes/registered voters/turnout and seat per parties. They're exactly the same as in the provisory results : [3]. I tend to think the commission simply split the two column as to give seats, but adding both does give the total by parties, as their total add up to give the final total of valid votes. --Aréat (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So does this mean we just leave the results as they are and remove the 'preliminary' heading? Number 5 7 20:05, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of adding the two column from the file as the vote column here, and calculate the percenatage. What do you think? --Aréat (talk) 00:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, sorry, I thought you were talking about columns in the CC file and have only just twigged you were talking about the CENI file. Yes, that seems to be the correct thing to do. The individual constituency results are also available starting here and then scrolling through pages to the right using the blue boxes at the bottom if anyone fancies adding the totals up :) Number 5 7 00:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't seem like an impossible task. I will look into it in the next few days.--Aréat (talk) 01:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57: Ah, it seem it actually will be one, as there's data for only 37 constituencies out of 38. :/ --Aréat (talk) 04:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: I think you're missing Matam (the only one of the five communes of Conakry or prefectures missing from the list), which I found here. Cheers, Number 5 7 12:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly! Thanks you N°57. I will go back at it.--Aréat (talk) 12:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57: Done. I uploaded the data to the french page, and will now do so here. Note that the only seat not won by RPG was won by Nouvelles forces démocratiques (NFD) in the Mamou constituency, which was the only one in which the RPG didn't have a candidate. Can you do the party list column ? Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good work! I'll do the PR column later today. Cheers, Number 5 7 13:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the more I look at it, the more I am confused. On one hand, it looks like only the third column appears to be the actual votes received. The remainder is what is left after the electoral quotient is deducted from their figures, not in addition to their figures. For, example, for the RPG, the quotient (37,894) goes into their vote total 42 times (1,519,548), with 51 votes remaining to get to their vote total of 1,591,599. The 51 votes in the fifth column is not in addition to their vote total. For parties that didn't win seats, the remainder is their whole vote total. If we go on this basis, including the fifth column, it looks like we may be double counting remainder votes.

On the other hand,it looks like CENI must have started off with a valid vote total of 2,879,944 to get the quotient. But then again, I noticed that that figure divides exactly by 76 to get a whole number, which seems too much of a coincidence. And there is also one oddity - the final party (PAG) has 1,276 votes obtained and 1,274 as its remainder.

The only possible explanation I can think of is that remainders are halved and half the remainder gets left in the 'suffrages obtenus' column and half gets left in the 'reste' column. But all this, combined with the number of votes ending in 0, really makes me think something is wrong here. One thing that really stands out is that after the three main parties, there are three 'clusters; of parties all with almost identical vote totals; six parties have around 76,000 votes (just enough to win two seats); nine parties have around 38,000 votes (just enough to win one seat) and six parties have around 14,000 votes (all of which got the remainder seats). None of these three groups varies by more than 1,000 from the figures I state. This makes me wonder whether the results have been somehow back-calculated from the valid vote total (which in itself is suspicious as it happens to be an exact multiplier of 76) and then tweaked a little so they don't all look the same, or simply just rigged to give these parties seats. Number 5 7 14:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you're right with this last hypothesis. Having followed the country' politics since a few years to write the french article, I don't doubt a second all these numbers are forged and fraudulent to the core. I only wish there were some article pointing out these data "anomalies" so that they could be stated properly in the page. Next presidential election this year will likely be of the same nature.--Aréat (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I suppose they are the 'official' results, so we should still add them? Number 5 7 17:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes. Results being obviously rigged are still shown there when they're the officials ones, as far as I know. With of course the mention that they're suspected being as such, when there's sources of it.--Aréat (talk) 19:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: I've added the figures. I also noticed there is a difference of 3,359 between the total of the constituency votes and the total - do you want to double check it? Number 5 7 21:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I double checked it, and I gave 1 vote more to PDC, and 3000 less to invalid votes. I will correct that. I don't know what happened for the remaining disreptancy.--Aréat (talk) 23:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm the Union des Forces Démocratiques de Guinée (UFDG), led by former Prime minister Cellou Dalein Diallo is one of the major opposition parties boycotting the election. The Union des forces démocratiques (UFD) is a minor party, probably created with this confusing name on purpose. Source in french: [4].--Aréat (talk) 02:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: I found the error in the constituency totals. Invalid ballots were 252,939 not 252,940 while the RPG total was 2,417,836 not 2,417,476 (I assume this was a transposition error as the difference is divisible by 9. See the table below. Cheers, Number 5 7 22:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Constituency	Total	Invalid	UPR	RPC AeC	MPDG	NFD	UFD	GDE	RDIG	PDND	UDG	NGR	RRD	PDC	UDIR	AFC	PNV
Beyla	123996	5149		100478	6918									11451
Boffa	34095	1754		20132							12209
Boke	193712	96355		74835				6559			15963
Coyah	90330	4763		77857							7710
Dabola	62421	3178		59243
Dalaba	766	101	108	371	165		21
Dinguiraye	59240	1120		58120
Dixinn	47800	32447	706	9362	510			1814			2961
Dubreka	74173	4654		56238	3209			4641			5431
Faranah	124858	4919		110670	9269
Forecariah	72403	2652		69751
Fria	20427	2443		14403	2248					1333
Gaoual	37670	2978		34692
Gueckdou	84659	7148		53610					23901
Kaloum	25388	3018		15206	3323			3841
Kankan	429373	8587		399747	21039
Kankan	234151	5969		210584	6663										6237	4698
Kerouane	93186	274		92912
Kindia	78664	10861		40731				11335			9068	6669
Kissidougou	115326	3289		98516			13521
Koubia	8064	219	1489	6356
Koundara	17978	1362		16616
Kouroussa	136670	1929		129262	4251								1228
Labe	2934	195	282	2076			381
Lelouma	14245	190	1747	12308
Lola	51277	11127		29369							2743						8038
Macenta	90424	6711		83713
Mali	8293	154	2344	5795
Mamou	51028	190		50838
Mandiana	194613	1018		184803	8792
Matam	44105	3765		40340
Matoto	126022	14748		93465											17809
Nzerekore	102427	3674		91875	6878
Pita	7402	459	2232			4711
Ratoma	49558	1500	2179	31940	1078			3481					9380
Telemele	15215	782	3510	10923
Tougue	13280	288		12992
Yomou	31914	2969		17707								6248		4990
Total	2968087	252939	14597	2417836	74343	4711	13923	31671	23901	1333	56085	12917	10608	16441	24046	4698	8038

@Number 57: Thanks a lot for your work! It finally make sense.--Aréat (talk) 10:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]