Talk:2020 FIA Formula 3 Championship

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@Corvus tristis: edits do not require your personal approval to be accepted. Reverting an edit because "its necessity has not been explained" is not a legitimate reason to revert because you're effectively asking editors to justify their edits to you. Having a said that, the following should have been immediately apparent to you:

The change is format is largely cosmetic. It does not fundamentally affect the content of the article.
A few years ago we moved to a format where sources are included in a summative footer bar at the end of the table. This was designed to move all of the references out of the body of the table. Moving references to a separate column is a good intermediary step until the grid is set.
This format is used in a variety of articles outside the scope of WP:MOTOR and is something we can learn from.

Finally, it aids mobile/tablet users by separating the wlink from the reference, making it less likely that the reader will follow the wlink when the intended to hit the reference (and vice versa). Mclarenfan17 (talk) 03:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Too much emotional and personal stuff as usual, but the final sentence has the meaning, cheers. Corvus tristis (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Too much emotional and personal stuff as usual"

Excuse me for being annoyed with an editor who has a documented history of ownership behaviour. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 05:35, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus (non-admin closure) ~ Amkgp 💬 19:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Despite my objections at the time, a recent requested move was applied to 2020 Formula 2 Championship. This move should also have been applied to these Formula 3 articles. Both championships are owned, run and promoted by the same organisation and they appear at the same events together. This is also the primary topic as although there are multiple championships competing under Formula 3 regulations, this is the most high-profile series (and other series have their own way to disambiguate them).

Failing this, the move among Formula 2 articles should be reverted because we are now in a situation where three related topics have three different naming conventions:

2020 Formula One World Championship (word instead of number, no FIA)
2020 Formula 2 Championship (number instead of word, no FIA)
2020 FIA Formula 3 Championship (number instead of word, with FIA)

As all three championships are related, there should be some consistency in naming conventions. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 07:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Mclarenfan17 (talk) 07:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - this is the clear primary topic and the common name for this series doent contain FIA.
SSSB (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - This is an absolute no brainer. The FIA designator as with the discussions on Formula 2 and Formula one is never used outside of legal texts describing the series. Common parlance, precision, and common sense say drop the FIA designator, it is just 100% unnecessary on Wikipedia. Sparkle1 (talk) 09:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Should follow the same rule as Formula One and Formula 2 (One and 2?). I think FIA before the competition should be used only when it helps clarifying the competition (FIAvs FIM, like FIA WEC vs FIM EWC, or in cross-country)Rpo.castro (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not for or against, but if we call "FIA Formula 3 Championship" by this name, it's because there are other Formula 3 championships: Asian F3 Championship for example. LoupDragon42 (talk) 07:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is the reason for this move. If necessary we can use {{other}} to link to other articles (through a disambiguation).
SSSB (talk) 07:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Are there still several Formula 3 championships? I know there used to be British, Euro, etc. If that's still the case then FIA is necessary as a disambiguator. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is but this is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC meaning it is jusifiable to not have a disambiguater here (the first sentence of prose makes it clear which Championship it is) and have a {{other}} template leading to a disambiguation page listing the other series (assuming they exist, if they dont it is additional justification to remove the FIA disambiguator.
SSSB (talk) 22:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For all the others championships (and the FIA Regional Championship were renamed to include the "Regional" or similar word) you need something more to clearify which F3 championship are you talking about. If you say John Doe is F3 new Champion, most people and in most cases, you will be spekaing about the FIA World Championship. If it is another competition you will say John Doe is British F3 new Champion. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as SSSB explained.Rpo.castro (talk) 07:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose then. I just don't see this as being PRIMARYTOPIC as much as you think, and I certainly don't see the problem of disambiguating it like all the other F3 championships. As for consistency with F1 and F2: in naming, does F2 need a disambiguator? No, there's only one major F2 championship. OTOMH in media sources you see Formula 2 but Formula One, so that naming convention is not problematic due to WP:COMMONNAME. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The issue I have with the above is that all of the other F3 championships have some kind of qualifier such as Asia, Europe or the United States etc. the only one with no additional information is the global series. This is clearly the primary topic when searching for Formula 3 as the others are all disambiguated away by the usually geographic locator included in their common name and official name. FIA is therefor a totally unnecessary addition that serves no purpose other than the addition of characters that extends the name and makes it clunkier and less easy to find without the use of redirects. Sparkle1 (talk) 11:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FIA does serve a purpose. FIA acts as the qualifier here just like the regional identifier does for the other formula three championships.T v x1 11:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I have though long and hard before posting my thoughts here, but ultimately I have to oppose renaming these articles. Contrary to the formula one and formula two examples, the FIA here does function as a disambiguator. In the seasons in question there is also an Australian Formula 3 championship, a Chilean Formula 3 championship and a British Formula 3 championship. Thus removing the FIA would make this title too vague. WP:PRECISE is the relevant policy and that should get priority over consistency.T v x1 11:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Per the same reasons states by Tvx1 stated above. Many people refer to the series as "International F3" in casual usage to differentiate it from regional and national F3-level series. However "international" is an informal differentiator, leaving "FIA" as the only official way to differentiate this series from other F3 series that I see. 2600:380:E8FA:CA1A:8C8A:96A9:F75F:779C (talk) 10:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Blatant Vandalism in the Results section regarding David Schumacher

What on Earth is going on with the results section? There's a huge blatant piece of vandalism on David Schumacher's results (and a smaller one with Michael Belov's first race), which as far as I can tell has gone un-fixed since September. How could this have been missed and never corrected in the time since despite dozens of other edits?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Narmatonia‎ (talk • contribs) 19:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. The vandalism occured on the template which transcludes the results here. That is why you couldn't find it. It was only in place since yesterday afternoon.
SSSB (talk) 09:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh OK yeah that was really confusing, but that makes sense
Narmatonia (talk) 19:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Champion photo

I believe the photo used for Oscar Piastri in the right-side box is incorrect. It is the champion's photo from the 2019 Formula Renault championship.

My sources: 1. In the image, Piastri is holding the Formula Renault trophy. 2. Piastri secured membership to the Renault young driver academy with his 2019 title. From this point (i.e. in 2020 and 2021), his junior formula overalls reflected this membership by mirroring those of the Renault Group Formula One team: black and yellow in 2020 (Renault team), black and blue and white in 2021 (Alpine team).

[1] Here is an example image of Piastri following his 2020 title win. [2] Here is an image of Piastri following one of his race wins during the 2020 F3 season.

Unfortunately I do not own the copyright to these images, do not know how to crop and align, and was unable to follow the instructions for uploading an image without copyright. My apologies; I would respectfully request that someone who is better-versed in this please replace the image. Baldbarretto (talk) 02:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In general I do not have a problem with the use of generic images for champions, such as on the 2020 F2 page here 2020 Formula 2 Championship. My issue is when a photo from a similar but nonidentical championship is used, as it is capturing and depicting a specific moment in time which is notably discrepant from the subject of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldbarretto (talk • contribs) 02:24, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]