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Hindus are peace loving and have put up with 800 years of oppression by foreign rulers. They were not only looted but their very culture was attacked. A cabal wanted to disrupt peace during Trump's visit to India and was responsible in creating riots. Yes, it always starts with minority leaders creating fear in their followers and have them massacred in the riots even as they stay safe in comfort. Roshan Baig was preparing for the riots in advance.
Hinduism is inclusive. Unfortunately, others are not.
The wiki narrative is biased. 43.247.156.67 (talk) 11:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any mention of Hindus is not meant to describe all Hindus. This article summarizes what independent reliable sources say about this topic, and they say Hindu mobs attacked Muslims. This does not mean that all Hindus agreed with doing so, but this is what sources say happened.
It is difficult to address the concern "this is biased". If you are interested in discussing your concerns, please detail the specific problematic passages of this article and explain how they do not accurately summarize the sources- or any other specific concern. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you mean sources tha5 pay the wikipedia for bias? Or the ones who want to bully and sway opinions, an intellegence project? How do we determine whether you or the reliable source are unbiased or a paid worker? Very questionable,non transparent motives with no accountability. I see how this page is being used for culture bullying. A clear case racism and supremacy tactics. Very insensitive and shamelss brazen tactics. 69.181.244.117 (talk) 02:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry that Hindus have been picked on for 800 years, as you say. You can choose to live with those feelings and hate us, people who weren't responsible for that oppression, or set aside your personal feelings and work with us. Again, please point out any problematic passages that do not accurately summarize the sources provided. If the sources themselves are the problem, you need to address that at the reliable sources noticeboard, as I've indicated. Note that most Indian sources have too much of a dog in this fight to be journalistically neutral, and India does not have a strong history of press freedom(i.e The Emergency (India)). 331dot (talk) 09:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone from Wikipedia provide an app so that I can only read articles on web from reliable sources? I was being informed that the gospel of truth lies in the "reliable sources" mentioned by Wikipedia as rest all are biased. Few hundreds of these moderators are dedicating their day in and out and saving our time to hunt reliable sources.
I want to thank all the moderators who are answering patiently to all abusive comments and only blocks after warning. I know you guys are not paid for this job and only get some minor funding not enough to buy even a Lamborghini. So urging all to be kind with the moderators and don't keep debating who started the riots. Whatever is written let it be as everyone know the fact and fact can never be distorted. With love to all especially 331dot and Slatesteven as you guys are holding the post despite continuous attack from few jihadi Hindus only.
Can someone remove this line from the subsection "Timeline(Feb 23)": "At approximately 4 p.m., protesters were reported to have hurled stones at the pro-CAA gathering at Maujpur Chowk and near a temple."
Removing this will improve the flow, as it otherwise conveys that Muslims (anti-CAA) started the violence by hurling stones at Hindus (pro-CAA gathering). This goes against our lead and infobox. We all know a Hindu leader was instigating and being a bigot, and that violence was justified. Also, it would be better to maintain uniformity. In some places, it is Hindu-Muslim, while in others, it’s anti-CAA and pro-CAA, which is very confusing for the average reader in terms of who did what.
We should remove "4 p.m.," "9 p.m.," etc., and start the February 23 timeline like this: "Clashes broke out between the anti-CAA and pro-CAA demonstrators in Karawal Nagar, Maujpur Chowk, Babarpur, and Chand Bagh. Vehicles were gutted, and shops were destroyed."
This will also match the lead, where it’s already mentioned that Muslims were marked as targets of violence without specifying who started what. Otherwise, it gets contradictory the deeper you delve into the article. Also, in some places, even "anti-CAA" and "pro-CAA" are missing, and only "protester" is mentioned, as in "protesters hurling stones at police" — which protesters? Why so ambiguous? Anyway, we just need to remove that problematic 4 p.m. sentence, and the lead and infobox would make much more sense. 2409:40E3:407A:A7AB:B07F:3C8D:BACD:D50C (talk) 01:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn’t matter. Please read my request again. This isn’t about who started the physical attacks or who was blocking roads and station entries; it’s about who instigated or offended the other with verbal attacks at that time. They are the main culprits and are entirely responsible for the violence, as we’ve already clarified in the article. All I’m saying is that we can skip mentioning the 4 p.m. attack on pro-CAA protesters—it’s not like the Hindutva bigots didn’t have it coming. Removing it would better convey that both communities began attacking each other without singling anyone out, followed by the attempted Muslim genocide or ethnic cleansing by Hindus. This would align better with the rest of the article. This single sentence feels out of place, an anomaly disrupting the article’s essence. Please consider this, and I hope you’ll remove or modify it.
Also, I don’t understand why any Pakistani, Afghan, or Bangladeshi Muslim would want to come to India for refuge, nor why Indian Muslims would fight for them. India is a fascist, anti-Muslim state. Surely, it can’t be better or more free for Muslims than the Muslim countries they are coming from. 2409:40E3:407A:A7AB:DC2C:EC8:DF13:19D4 (talk) 14:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not every little event needs to be mentioned separately, especially when those events are entirely justified and not directly related to the ethnic cleansing that was already in the minds of the fascists. All fascist forces deserve this kind of treatment. Anyway, if you want to claim that fascists were attacked first by using 'godi media' sources like India Today, then so be it. You're only helping those forces justify the harassment of Muslims. Goodbye 2409:40E3:407A:A7AB:DC2C:EC8:DF13:19D4 (talk) 15:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
