Talk:2020 Czech Senate election

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Contested seats

What's the source for the table with the contested seats per party? According to this one, the numbers are quite different. They can be seen in the list on the left side, in grey. With orange being the candidates qualified for the second round, and green the candidates elected in the first round.--Aréat (talk) 02:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I ended up making the changes with the source, as it fit with the introduction of the Czech page, so I think we can assume it's the correct numbers. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 15:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seats not up

Thanks a lot @Ludwig V. von Ballonburg und Mohenzollern: for the full table results! I had been unable to find them in the Czech website. Can I ask where you found the number you used for the "Not up seats" column?--Aréat (talk) 05:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm asking because in the previous election in 2018, the table show "Ostravak" and "Movement for Prague 11" holding one seat each, so logically they should be showing on the table two years later, if only as "not up", right? Plus, currently, it add up to 55 instead of 54--Aréat (talk) 05:21, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; about the Not up seats, I've used the table in the article about Senate on enwiki and the list of senators in the years 2018-2020 on cswiki. I think "Ostravak" and " Movement for Prague 11" don't have to be shown as the other parties because they didn't participate in the 2020 election. But you're right that they shouldn't be forgotten; I added a note to the line "Total".-- Ludwig V. von Ballonburg und Mohenzoller ( Ludwig V. von Ballonburg und Mohenzollern) 19:56, 9 October 2020

Isn't the page on the Senate about Groups rather than parties? I fear that may lead up to these inconsistencies. It's pretty common in such assemblies which can elect very small parties, who alone don't have the numbers to create their own groups : parties are candidating independently with their own votes shares in the elections, then join political groups. If you use party results, then also group results, you end up with duplicate, hence the inflated total.--Aréat (talk) 01:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder whether it would be clearer if the two parties were added to the table with their existin seats, but had their columns for this election struck through? I think it might be easier for readers than a note? Number 5 7 21:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Also, I think we should use a column showing the seats in play, not those Not up, as we have a solid source about the former, while the later is currently calculated on shaky grounds, as stated above. This way it would allow us to correctly show a swing. Then, if we ever find a good source, we could add a "total before" and "total after". That's how I did it on the french page, although I've been a bit overconfident in filling the "Total before" already. What do you think?--Aréat (talk) 01:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If we don't have a good source, then I agree it's not a great idea to include the 'not up' column. Number 5 7 12:12, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ludwig V. von Ballonburg und Mohenzollern:, your opinion on this change, then? I could do it later today.--Aréat (talk) 12:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the note is enough; readers are looking for the results of this election and parties that didn't take part in the election are strange to be mentioned in the election result. About the "Not up seats"; I've inquired into the data published by the Czech Statistical Office (I've corrected some found mistakes) so I think we have a good source now. I would keep the current structure because it's logical for me to have the 2020 seats next to the seats from other constituencies. But this is not a strong opinion; if you think you're really right it wouldn't matter to me if you changed it.-- Ludwig V. von Ballonburg und Mohenzoller ( Ludwig V. von Ballonburg und Mohenzollern) 18:58, 10 October 2020

I think a "total before, At stake, Won, Total after, +/-" would be easier to understand, because the math from one column to another would be simple. As it is, the table doesn't give anything on which to rely on for the +/-. And it lead to incoherent numbers from page to page. @Ludwig V. von Ballonburg und Mohenzollern: How can ODS be +3 at 18 when the 2018 election page had its total at 16? Nearly all parties have those inconsistencies. I don't get it.--Aréat (talk) 01:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]