Talk:2020–21 United States election protests/Archive 3

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Redundant inaccurate title epidemic on Wikipedia

These events as they are recorded on Wikipedia are always called 'Protests', if it happened in the US. It's been overly done:

You have the same naming for:

• Protests against Trump
• 2020 anti-lockdown protests
• George Floyd protests
• Breona Taylor protests
• 2020 Election protests

And now ...

• 2021 US Capitol protests

Not everything is 'Protests'. Most of these events are instances of general unrest, but the storming of the US Capitol, if that had happened in any other country it would be called a coup attempt or a putsch.

For crying outload, get more creative with your titles. Please in the name of history, stop calling every single riot, uprising, or insurrection in the US protests. Call it what it is for the sake of being accurate. A protest is not the same as a coup attempt or a putsch. If it's a Putsch, call it the '2021 United States Capitol Hill Putsch'.

C'mon what is 'US Capitol Protests'? Just what are they protesting? Are they protesting the US Capitol itself? The name makes no sense. Warlightyahoo (talk) 02:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

There is a very long and involved discussion about the titling of 2021 United States Capitol protests at the article talk page which you are more than welcome to join. In the case of that article, that was basically the original title of the article when it was first created this morning (before any putsch-adjacent activities), and we're stuck with it until some consensus is reached. In the case of some of the other articles, they're more solidly-decided article names that have gone through the formal consensus process. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 8 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 18:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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2020–21 United States election protests → Protests against the result of the 2020 United States presidential election – There were many protests I saw that were part of the 2020 presidential elections. Protests during the DNC and RNC, protests at Kamala Harris' campaign announcement, protests outside Trump rallies. Some of them against Trump's attempts to overturn the result. Many of the protests that took place during and after the election were not against the result of the election. This article is about the protests that were against the results of the election. It should be titled something that makes clear WHAT protests it is talking about SecretName101 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. This article includes anti-Trump protests as well. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

The solution would be retitling the small section about those as "counter-protests". SecretName101 (talk) 17:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Or by spinning-that off into an article entitled "Protests against attempts to overturn United States presidential election", or merge them into a sub-section of Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election. SecretName101 (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Strongly. The vast majority of the protests are against voter fraud, not to oppose the result. --  ApChrKey   ^Talk 17:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

This is patently false. There is not even a single shred of verifiable evidence of mass voter fraud. Those are false pretenses. Here at Wikipedia we deal in facts, not falsehoods. SecretName101 (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Agree and wish that User:ApChrKey's comment would be stricken from the record. Darkest Tree Talk 02:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Your account page shows you are perpetuating these falsehoods at least in your userspace. I will very closely be watching your future edits to be sure you are not adding any falsehoods into articles. Perpetuating the lie that "Trump won" would egregious. SecretName101 (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose Too lengthy of a title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExplosiveResults (talk • contribs)

• Oppose Needlessly lengthy, in addition to the above comments. — Czello 22:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. That title is unnecessarily long and doesn't improve anything from the current title. kennethaw88 • talk 23:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

The current title is problematic. It implies a far broader scope than this article actually covers. SecretName101 (talk) 23:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

And I made a typo. The title I am proposing is "Protests against the result of the 2020 United States presidential election" not "Demonstrations and protests against the result of the 2020 United States presidential election" SecretName101 (talk) 23:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Not an improvement and makes the title unnecessarily long. RopeTricks (talk) 13:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Proposed title does not follow WP:NPOV, nor would it adhere to conciseness guidelines in the WP:TITLE conventions. AlexKitfox (talk) 02:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

• We don't need to "both sides" this. The so-called protests are part of the larger and longer-term coup attempt that culminated in the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. Calling it what is is isn't a violation of WP:NPOV. Darkest Tree Talk 02:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Unnecessarily long. The current title is much shorter and has the same meaning as the proposed one, so there's no need for change in my opinion. Keivan.f^Talk 04:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support The proposed title is slightly more reflective of the disingenuous nature of these so-called protests. I would prefer merging this article into Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election instead, but will support the move in the meantime. Darkest Tree Talk 02:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Update

@Farolif: you added an {{update}} tag to this article in February but I haven't been able to find any relevant events after January 20 (the last date currently mentioned in the article). Could you clarify what you had in mind? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:30, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

• The infobox was showing the event as Ongoing when I added the template. If the event is ended, then the template can probably be removed. Farolif (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Spring 2021 events

I'm not convinced that the events in Raleigh and Huntington Beach recently added by Tilden1876 really belong in this article. The source on the Raleigh event only loosely links it to the 2020 election; the impression I get is of a protest about Covid restrictions at which some election-related grievances were also aired. The connection to the Huntington Beach event is even more tenuous: the source doesn't even mention the 2020 elections, apart from in connection to that city's municipal elections. More generally, it's likely that we'll continue to see protests by Trump supporters over the coming months and years, insofar as being a "Trump supporter" has come to mean something other than support for Trump's actual campaigns, but unless opposing or contesting the 2020 election result is the clear primary aim I don't think such protests should be listed here. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Reverting. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:19FB:2B26:FEB3:C4F8 (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)