Talk:2019 World Open (snooker)

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:49, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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• ... that Neil Robertson failed to play at the 2019 World Open, as he drove to Barnsley, Gloucestershire, rather than Barnsley, South Yorkshire to compete in the qualifiers? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/49944958; http://www.worldsnooker.com/robertson-goes-to-wrong-barnsley-for-yushan-qualifiers/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Coffin Cave mold beetle
• Comment: Article will likely go through some work for the event next month, but this hook wrote itself. If it needs rewording, let me know.

Created by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 18:11, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Interesting and humorous hook. feminist (talk) 02:53, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Untitled

Well, yay and all that, but if the hook hangs on the tidbit about Neil Robertson, why doesn't the Neil Robertson article reflect that same tidbit? Shenme (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

It probably should - Be WP:BOLD and add it. As Robertson isn't the subject of the DYK it doesn't have to contain the hook. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 3 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved - consensus against (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 19:34, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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• 2019 World Open (snooker) → 2019 World Open
• 2018 World Open (snooker) → 2018 World Open
• 2017 World Open (snooker) → 2017 World Open
• 2016 World Open (snooker) → 2016 World Open
• 2014 World Open (snooker) → 2014 World Open
• 2013 World Open (snooker) → 2013 World Open
• 2012 World Open (snooker) → 2012 World Open
• 2010 World Open → 2010 World Open (disambiguation)
• 2010 World Open (snooker) → 2010 World Open

As far as I can tell, there is only one other "World Open" event that we would need to disambiguate from, which are the events in the World Open (squash) series. However, these are all titled such as the 2016 Men's World Open Squash Championship. There are other events, such as the World Open chess tournament, and World Poker Open which don't have annual articles, and would have natural disambiguations. We have a precident that we do not need to disambiguate simply because the overarching article has a disambiguation (in this case World Open (snooker)), as we have the 2019 UK Championship and UK Championship (snooker) among others. The current disambiguation across a lot of articles is not necessary. The final one has a pointless disambiguation that we can either move or delete, as stated above they are naturally disambiguated. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC) -->

• Oppose - one of the first results I got on Google was to a chess tournament which has an article at - World Open chess tournament. "World Open" is such a generic phrase that it should never be a primary. --Gonnym (talk) 22:22, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Did you try looking searching for the individual years Gonnym? This isn't for the main article for World Open to change, simply the individual years. You search for any of these on google and you'll get the snooker tournaments. I understand the need for the main article not to change, but the individual years articles don't share this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
    • The tournament pages should follow the disambiguation style of the parent article. Also, while there aren't currently any chess articles corresponding to the years of the tournaments listed above, the page clearly shows that there was a "2019 World Open" chess tournament that year. Changing the pages will cause more harm than good. --Gonnym (talk) 22:29, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. World open what? Too generic not to be disambiguated. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation from what? There is no 2019 World Open article, nor any other 2019 World Open (disambuation) articles. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:26, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

We have to apply common sense. This is just too generic not to provide more information. A reader has to have some idea what it's referring to. Who would see "world open" and think, oh right, it's about a snooker championship?! -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Although I'm always keen to back you up Lee, my honest opinion on this one is that it's probably best left alone (sorry). To call this article simply "World Open" is way too obscure and could mean just about anything, so it's sensible to keep the word "snooker" in parentheses. For comparison... with the World Snooker Championship, the word "Snooker" is included in the official name of the championship so the question doesn't arise; with the UK Championship, although the word "Snooker" is not in the name, it is a very "famous" snooker tournament (one of the big 3 Triple Crown events) so we can get away with it. I would argue that the World Open is not popular/prominent enough to be automatically interpreted as being a snooker event, so we do need the word "Snooker" in the name. Rodney Baggins (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 13:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Will review this article. MWright96 (talk) 13:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at this one, MWright96. It's not the longest in my arsenal, so let me know what needs a fix. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lede

• The equals symbol at the end of the first sentence is not needed
• "The event was the 2019 edition of the World Open, that was first held in 1982." - gramatically correct which was
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• "and the third event held in China." - of the season or year?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• "having won the previous year's event," - maybe state it was the 2018 tournament?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• "scoring a 144 in the third round of his first round victory" - should the word in bold be changed to frame?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Prize fund

• The second and third sentences are not backed up by the World Snooker source and require another reference

added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

• A source will be required to confirm the prize for the tournament's highest break
  • Removed, couldn't find one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Tournament format

• "This was the 37th World Open tournament," - The Snooker Scene reference attaced to this does not mention it wasthe 37th ediiton of the tournament. This will require a reference that explcitly states this.
  • reworded, I couldn't find a specific cite Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:20, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• "The defending champion, Mark Williams, declined to appear at the tournament." - Where there any reasons stated for Williams' absence?
  • Not really. The closest we got was someone wishing him luck on twitter, and him replying that he wouldn't be playing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:20, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• The Guardian source does not mention Robertson was given a map to the qualifiers for the Northern Ireland Open. Please rectify this.
  • Changed cites Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:20, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Early rounds (round one—quarter-finals)

• "Binghams' century break in frame six was the 300th of his career." - this sentence is unsupported by the snooker.org source and will need another reference to verify it
  • Removed - it's not true, it happened in the international championship - good shout.
• Also it should be "Bingham's" and not "Binghams'"
  • irrelevant now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• "led 2–1 before breaks of 100, 55 and 62 from Gilbert in the next three frames." - I feel there is an word that is missing from this sentence
  • Added some words. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• "Un-Nooh won the next three frames with breaks of 77, 66 and 96 in just 37 minutes to reach the semi-finals." - The Sporting Life and World Snooker refs do not state that Un-Nooh won the final three frames in 37 minutes
  • Add source Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• "Had he won the event, he was the last remaining player who could qualify for the Champion of Champions event ahead of Jimmy White." - this is not supported by the sportinglife reference. Please find a source that explicitly states this
  • Source added. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• "The fourth and final semi-finalist was Kyren Wilson. Wilson, a two-time ranking event winner" - Try not to have the last word of a sentence start the next one like this
  • reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Later rounds (semi-final—final)

• "The event's semi-finals were held on 2 November 2019. Both matches were played as best-of-11 frames; both finished at 6–5." - the World Snooker source does not explicily state these two sentences. How about use the snooker.org source instead?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• How about reword the first sentence above to "The two semi-finals took place on 2 November."
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "The first semi-final was played between Un-Nooh and Wilson. Wilson won" - Try not to have the last word of a sentence start the next one like this as with the final query raised in the sub-section prior
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "the first three frames of the match, despite a highest break of 44." - better the match's opening three frames; Wilson's highest break during this time was a 44.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "Un-Nooh won the next two frames, including a break of 72," - The World Snooker source says it was a 74 clearance not 72
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "Wilson gained the first chance in the final frame" - This portion of text is too similiarly worded per WP:LIMITED and a tad informal. It will need to be changed accordingly.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "allowing Un-Nooh to win frame and match." - to win the frame and the match.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "The second semi-final was a rematch of the 2019 World Snooker Championship final between John Higgins and Judd Trump. Trump took the" - Same issue as the third point in the sub-section
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "Higgins took the next two with two breaks of above 50." - a little better more than 50.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• The BBC Sport source in the third paragraph does not state that Trump defeated Un-Nooh 10-9 in the 2019 World Championship. The World Snooker Reference in the same paragraph does though so that will need addressing.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• "The victory put Trump level with Ding Junhui with the most ranking event titles." - Perhaps state which position Trump was with Ding in the all-time ranking tournament victories after this one?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Main draw

• How about mention in the prose above the results table that the players denoted in bold are the winners of their respective matches?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:08, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Main stage centuries

• World Snooker state there were 64 century breaks and not 62. Please correct this in the prose and by adding in the bullet points the missing centuries.

fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:37, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Qualifying stage centuries

• World Snooker has 32 century breaks in the qualifying stages rather than the 34 stated in the article. Please find another source to back up this claim or remove the two centuries that are affected if they cannot be verified
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

References

• References 1 and 8 are linked to the same page. Please avoid this
  • Fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• Reference 2 is missing its publishing date by Sporting Life
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• References 15 and 24 are missing the authors who wrote the respective articles
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• Reference 17 is lacking the date it was published and the author who wrote it
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• Reference 18 is linked to the incorrect picture caption; it should be the second picture and not the first
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• The same reference is missing the date it was published
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• I believe Reference 22 is unnecessary because the portion of text stating Un-Nooh had reached his second career final is already mentioned in reference 19
  • removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Overall there are some issues concerning the grammar to the prose and to the verifiability of some of the content which does not have a reliable source attaced to it. Since many of these are likely to be quick fixes, I will put the review on hold until all of the fixes have been addressed accordingly. MWright96 (talk) 15:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your review, MWright96 - sorry it took so long to finish my end - I think I've got it all now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:32, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Am now promoting to GA class. Note I have made some changes to the article. MWright96 (talk) 06:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

World Snooker Full Calendar

The live link to the World Snooker calendar (ref.4) is useless because the calendar is being regularly updated and the 2019 events have therefore now dropped off the list. So although it's a "live" link, I've marked it as "unfit" to be used here. The archive was an old 2015 version of the calendar (again useless for the purposes of this article) so I've replaced it with the relevant archive dated 31 Oct 2019 which contains the tournaments we're talking about. Unfortunately there's a problem with this archive: the cookie consent window obscures the page after it's fully loaded and the accept button doesn't work so you can't get rid of it, but if you're quick you can see the information before the "We value your privacy" wall pops up. Far from ideal. An alternative calendar is this one but unfortunately it doesn't show which events are ranking and which aren't. Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I just realised that last one is already in as ref.5. Rodney Baggins (talk) 20:46, 10 March 2020 (UTC)