Talk:2019 Military World Games

Numbers

What do the numbers in brackets in #List of participating nations mean? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

@MSGJ: It indicates the total number of participants for each nations. Abishe (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Okay, please explain this in the article — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

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Rank by Total 1 China 48805133 2734364 1522542 239 1 2 Russia 3216351 1734253 2728257 161 2 3 Brazil 128121 1511531 1125036 88 3 4 France 48113 128020 1111224 57 5 5 Poland 83011 87015 1419134 60 4 6 Germany 73010 105015 1010020 45 6 7 DPRK 3609 3508 410115 32 8 8 Bahrain 5409 0101 3407 17 12 9 Uzbekistan 5308 5207 2305 20 11 10 Ukraine 3205 76013 78015 33 7 11 Italy 2024 55212 92112 28 9 12 Kazakhstan 3104 3003 3205 12 15 13 Belarus 2204 2002 3508 14 13 14 Iran 4004 2002 5005 11 16 15 Switzerland 3104 1001 6208 13 14 16 ROK 3003 91010 110011 24 10 17 Norway 1102 1304 0202 8 19 17 Slovenia 0202 0404 1102 8 19 19 Egypt 1012 1102 3205 9 17 20 Kenya 1102 1001 1102 5 28 20 Morocco 1102 1001 2002 5 28 22 Turkey 2002 0000 3003 5 28 23 Romania 1001 1304 2103 8 19 24 Mongolia 0101 1203 4105 9 17 25 Hungary 1001 1113 1001 5 28 26 Czech Republic 1001 2002 5005 8 19 27 India 1001 1001 2002 4 33 28 Belgium 1001 1001 1001 3 35 29 Latvia 1001 1001 0000 2 41 30 Lithuania 1001 0000 1001 2 41 31 Bulgaria 1001 0000 0000 1 48 31 Namibia 0101 0000 0000 1 48 31 Tunisia 1001 0000 0000 1 48 34 Finland 0000 3104 1012 6 25 35 United States 0000 1203 3205 8 19 36 Austria 0000 2103 1001 4 33 37 Algeria 0000 2002 5005 7 24 38 Azerbaijan 0000 2002 4004 6 25 39 Dominican Republic 0000 1102 2103 5 28 40 Slovakia 0000 1102 1001 3 35 41 Qatar 0000 2002 0000 2 41 42 Thailand 0000 1001 3205 6 25 43 Canada 0000 0101 1102 3 35 43 Sri Lanka 0000 0101 1102 3 35 43 Sweden 0000 0101 0202 3 35 46 Oman 0000 1001 1001 2 41 46 Syria 0000 1001 1001 2 41 46 Vietnam 0000 0101 0101 2 41 49 Saudi Arabia 0000 1001 0000 1 48 49 Denmark 0000 0101 0000 1 48 49 Ecuador 0000 1001 0000 1 48 49 Estonia 0000 1001 0000 1 48 49 Tanzania 0000 1001 0000 1 48 54 Serbia 0000 0000 2103 3 35 55 Venezuela 0000 0000 1102 2 41 56 Albania 0000 0000 0101 1 48 56 Armenia 0000 0000 1001 1 48 56 Barbados 0000 0000 0101 1 48 56 Spain 0000 0000 1001 1 48 56 Greece 0000 0000 0101 1 48 56 Indonesia 0000 0000 1001 1 48 56 Ireland 0000 0000 1001 1 48 56 Kuwait 0000 0000 1001 1 48 56 Luxembourg 0000 0000 1001 1 48 56 Pakistan 0000 0000 1001 1 48 56 Rwanda 0000 0000 1001 1 48

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Rank by Total 1 China 133 64 42 239 1 2 Russia 51 53 57 161 2 3 Brazil 21 31 36 88 3 4 France 13 20 24 57 5 5 Poland 11 15 34 60 4 6 Germany 10 15 20 45 6 7 DPRK 9 8 15 32 8 8 Bahrain 9 1 7 17 12 9 Uzbekistan 8 7 5 20 11 10 Ukraine 5 13 15 33 7 11 Italy 4 12 12 28 9 12 Kazakhstan 4 3 5 12 15 13 Belarus 4 2 8 14 13 14 Iran 4 2 5 11 16 15 Switzerland 4 1 8 13 14 16 ROK 3 10 11 24 10 17 Norway 2 4 2 8 19 17 Slovenia 2 4 2 8 19 19 Egypt 2 2 5 9 17 20 Kenya 2 1 2 5 28 20 Morocco 2 1 2 5 28 22 Turkey 2 0 3 5 28 23 Romania 1 4 3 8 19 24 Mongolia 1 3 5 9 17 25 Hungary 1 3 1 5 28 26 Czech Republic 1 2 5 8 19 27 India 1 1 2 4 33 28 Belgium 1 1 1 3 35 29 Latvia 1 1 0 2 41 30 Lithuania 1 0 1 2 41 31 Bulgaria 1 0 0 1 48 31 Namibia 1 0 0 1 48 31 Tunisia 1 0 0 1 48 34 Finland 0 4 2 6 25 35 United States 0 3 5 8 19 36 Austria 0 3 1 4 33 37 Algeria 0 2 5 7 24 38 Azerbaijan 0 2 4 6 25 39 Dominican Republic 0 2 3 5 28 40 Slovakia 0 2 1 3 35 41 Qatar 0 2 0 2 41 42 Thailand 0 1 5 6 25 43 Canada 0 1 2 3 35 43 Sri Lanka 0 1 2 3 35 43 Sweden 0 1 2 3 35 46 Oman 0 1 1 2 41 46 Syria 0 1 1 2 41 46 Vietnam 0 1 1 2 41 49 Saudi Arabia 0 1 0 1 48 49 Denmark 0 1 0 1 48 49 Ecuador 0 1 0 1 48 49 Estonia 0 1 0 1 48 49 Tanzania 0 1 0 1 48 54 Serbia 0 0 3 3 35 55 Venezuela 0 0 2 2 41 56 Albania 0 0 1 1 48 56 Armenia 0 0 1 1 48 56 Barbados 0 0 1 1 48 56 Spain 0 0 1 1 48 56 Greece 0 0 1 1 48 56 Indonesia 0 0 1 1 48 56 Ireland 0 0 1 1 48 56 Kuwait 0 0 1 1 48 56 Luxembourg 0 0 1 1 48 56 Pakistan 0 0 1 1 48 56 Rwanda 0 0 1 1 48 Total 316 316 389 1021

Did western media cover this event?

I (here in Canada) had no idea this event existed, even though apparently over 100 Canadians participated. This seems bigger than the summer Olympic games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.74.108.212 (talk) 02:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure with that whether the media in Western region covered this event but the event has been under scanner for the possibility of the spreading of coronavirus according to some sources. Abishe (talk) 06:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Correction: US won 1 gold at triathalon competition

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/11/01/usas-coyle-wins-triathlon-gold-world-military-games-china.html

Rwinkel (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

This article is already cited on the page in the part below the medal table. Near the beginning of the article it says that, since they were awarded in the over 40 division, the two triathlon medals were not counted in the official medal tally. CowHouse (talk) 06:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2019 Military World Games/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 14:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

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I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

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• I know this has been waiting a long time, but this isn't a suitable GA at the present moment. Here's a series of things that caused me to not want the article to go on hold, and fail right out.

Minor:

1. WP:BOLDAVOID in lede
2. retail stores were newly opened - opened for the event, newly is present tense.
3. What's a "chinese sturgeon"?
4. .[31][32][33][34] - WP:CITEKILL.
5. Why are quotes in italics?
6. It was reported that 109 nations - by whom? There's clearly 110 from the full list below, which was overkill too.

Major:

1. Most of the info in the lede should be in the body.
2. Random external links (suitable for WP:LINKROT) in the results section
3. No commentary on the medals/results
4. Very short sections such as bidding, marketing and venues need expansion
5. The WP:WEIGHT seems massively off. Why are we drawing attention to one venue over others, or one record being beaten?
6. The list of venues seems a bit long, needs signifcant commentary as to what's going on/where it's sourced to.
7. Article is need of a copyedit, as some things make zero sense when read.

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

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Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry for failing this one so quickly, but there just isn't enough here (or even close to) for me to believe this will meet the WP:BROAD criteria. I've left some comments above, but this would need a lot more for it to have a successful nomination in the future. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

USA "lying" about its number of participants?

Hi Leopodstanicky. This is the talk page of the article if you'd like to discuss anything. You can edit this page with your comments instead of inserting your comments into the article or using edit summaries. I think this is getting complex enough that we should have this talk page discussion. In response to your latest edit summary...

check video of US team at intro ceremony - 7 * 17 + 2 - and of course not all there, they lie about numbers to cover covid suspicion clear seeing the awful performance finishing at 35 place?

I'd say just be careful of original research. Wikipedia editors shouldn't really be loading videos and counting people and then putting that into articles. We need a reliable source such as a newspaper, book, or in this case the official games website in order to add/change information in articles. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:52, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

leo here - I studied this for a long time - one American who wanted to stay anonymous - wrote - our media didn´t cover the event which is strange - then - US team disastrous results - not a single gold placed the mightiest army in the universe behind poor Namibia and as it was really very low, even behind camel Tunisia which is not just shame but a proof that something was just not right there - original numbers here were 278 of whole US expedition - ie full Boeing 747 - among them 179 sportsmen

- it is also striking that despite I provided evidence - counting from video - you in fact not thanked but hushed me for that - this is really a typical scam practice and wiki is thus - also due to your stance - now an untrustworthy source. btw WHERE is the source for that ridiculous and apparently false 59? of course - nowhere, poor wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leopodstanicky (talk • contribs) 07:48, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

There's 3 sources linked at the top of the table, although I think the one that had the 59 number died and was archived incorrectly. Got any sources for one American who wanted to stay anonymous - wrote - our media didn´t cover the event which is strange? A link to a reliable newspaper that mentions this would be the first step to getting it added. Sorry, counting people on YouTube seems like clear original research to me, which is not allowed. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

leo here - as for that American - he was clearly afraid and therefore - he said - hid his IP - and I respect his concerns vis-a-vis the ones who have butter on head so didn´t try to follow on him - let´s take it the other way round - there was global silence ordered apparently from one centre regarding ANY notion that this event ever happened - now this is not suspicous - it is the proof - it is no chance than when I tried to get ANY response from ANYBODY all I got back was silence or at the best some ridicule ridiculing from THE SUN. Since this event happened in Wuhan and on the outbreak of covid, it is clear that there WAS a global ban - in Israel controlled world ie "The West " on information about it, not even mentioning The US participation of course. Wuhan is 1/150th of CHina in terms of population. Based on the fact that covid originated here at time of games tell me it was a chance please. At the time US army was here in numbers. And Italian sportsmen were hit hardest. Was it possible to draw any line between US team and covid? Or better - who wrote in here that ridiculous "conspiration theory section" - who claims he has the right to state what is conspiracy and why? We all know that this "conspiration theories" is a program in Mossad controlled world - it is everywhere like pest. Btw this is not first case I see wiki complicit with illegal or outright criminal activities - there are much more serious cases of it I can document very easily quoting ... wiki. Is wiki free? This sounds like a joke doesn´t it. Don´t respond to my comment as it will bring no real quality or information. counting myself is not allowed? oh whaly whaly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leopodstanicky (talk • contribs) 13:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

as for that American - he was clearly afraid and therefore - he said - hid his IP. We don't need their IP. We just need a newspaper that published a story about it. Wikipedia is a WP:TERTIARY source. We let reliable sources do the investigating for us, then we summarize what the reliable sources say. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

ok I will give you example of corrupt wiki - mr. Lučanský - has nothing to do with this event - wiki claims - committed suicide - a Slovak wiki claims that is. Do you know what is the problem? That it claimed that even before a investigation committee was set up. How can wiki say that when Slovak police didn´t even start investigation? When I tried to point at it, was immediately reverted. I know only one thing - that both problems have the same nominative. Here you yourself said that there is no back up for 59 number. Yet you stick to this number you know is wrong. How did I find that wrong number just now ? Wanted to show a friend and was caught by surprise - wow, the right number that was there FOR YEARS suddenly gone. Frankly, I don´t trust wiki anymore. And say everybody do the same.

"although I think the one that had the 59 number died and was archived incorrectly" - you can count ppl walking Wuhan Stadium self - 17 * 7 = 119 +2 = 121 - I don´t say it is correct numer of US participants - it is only members you can see on tarmac yourself Leopodstanicky (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

It's hard to trust what you're saying when you have no sources that follow our policies, so I am just trying to keep the historical article text. However wow, the right number that was there FOR YEARS suddenly gone is a much better argument. See, I can check that. Our pages have an edit history. Ok, after like 20 minutes of investigating, I have this.

• edit that added USA 172 (Nov 2019)
• edit that changed USA 172 to USA 59 (Oct 2022)

De Boni 2007, are you around? Can you explain your edit a bit? Abishe, thoughts on this? And do either of you have a link to a source for # of participants by country that isn't a dead URL? The source given at the top of the table that probably had this info appears to be a dead URL that was improperly archived. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. See, I don´t care for the number of participants - I´ll explain - say, Egypt, Why should I care for its number? I don´t. What I am after is this - there were some number of countries, Yet, wiki itself in that ridiculous "conspiration theories" paragraph is pointing to USA. Question - why USA? Why not Bangladesh? Or Hungary? See? it is not the number what is the problem here. It is USA itself. Then I analyzed the number compared to factors like - by far biggest army in the world, the wealthiest, best trained, best trainers, poor results and STRUCTURE of those - only three teams - wrestling, basketball and golf showing that these teams were sound and probably didn´t know other members of expedition who were either not sportsmen, not the best sportsmen for reasons of spying, infected sportsmen or outright CIA agents posing as sportsmen. How can we ignore CIA games when it is playing those worldwide and in Wuhan predominantly? 35th place behind Czechia, at least in front of its slave, Slovakia. Leopodstanicky (talk) 08:01, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

I have found official US military web page showing US team on tarmac of Wuhan 7th WMG

https://armedforcessports.defense.gov/Media/News-Stories/Article-View/Article/2246438/military-world-games-opens-with-dazzling-spectacle/ Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:24, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

leo p

Komu:usarmy.jbsa.imcom-hq.mbx.army-sports@mail.mil

Number of US team members at 7th world military games in Wuhan

Hello,

please can you state exact number of US team that participated there - with and without technical staff?

Thank you,

Leo Podstanicky Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Armed Forces Sports - U.S. Army (defense.gov)

IMCOM, G-9, Family and MWR Programs

2405 Gunshed Road

Fort Sam Houston, TX 78234-7588

Tel: 210-466-1337

DSN: 450-1337

All-Army Sports Website

Army World Class Athlete Program Website

Email All-Army Sports

Contact Army World Class Athlete Program Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Xinhua

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/15/c_138473332.htm

U.S. delegation arrives in Wuhan for Military World Games - Xinhua | English.news.cn (xinhuanet.com)

WUHAN, Oct. 15 (Xinhua) -- A group of 17 athletes from the U.S. Armed Forces has arrived at the airport in the central Chinese city of Wuhan for the up-coming 2019 Military World Games here on Monday midnight.

About 300 athletes from the United States are expected to arrive in the next 2 days.

leo - is this sufficient evidence - now we just need to find which full 747 flew those agents in Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

would be interesting to find out who is that cheater with 59 and especially on whose commands he was acting, because this was a military decoy operation at times when dust "settled down" Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

btw isn´t that striking that out of tens of nations just US one was changed in number - of course to lower, much lower and not higher - or much higher which would be ever crazier that this - the number 59 itself is a proof of cheating by itself when using number 9 - this number symbolises big number - so it was used by cheater slave Leopodstanicky (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

https://www.dvidshub.net/feature/2019MilGames?fbclid=IwAR2oFKM3GDAj1cubPOVjRytVT_pMC56Y3LIvoSm67vmakIM8CoKNZf30hpQ

2019 CISM Military World Games

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CISM will conduct the 7th edition of the Military World Games (MWG) hosted by the Chinese Delegation in the city of Wuhan, China. The 7th MWG will feature military athletes from around the world with an estimated participation of over 100 nations and over 10,000 participants. The U.S. Delegation will send 17 teams with a delegation size of over 280 athletes and staff.

I don´t ask you to change the number anymore, it is irrelevant Leopodstanicky (talk) 12:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

This is all original research. You need to find a published, reliable source that has the data we need in text format and link to it here. Copy pasting private emails, and counting people in photographs and videos, is original research and does not follow our policies. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

enough for me to know that you stick to falsified number - wiki is becoming a joke Leopodstanicky (talk) 14:41, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

again - you ignore that official source - on whose orders? - you certainly don´t do it on your own -

https://www.dvidshub.net/feature/2019MilGames?fbclid=IwAR2oFKM3GDAj1cubPOVjRytVT_pMC56Y3LIvoSm67vmakIM8CoKNZf30hpQ

2019 CISM Military World Games

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CISM will conduct the 7th edition of the Military World Games (MWG) hosted by the Chinese Delegation in the city of Wuhan, China. The 7th MWG will feature military athletes from around the world with an estimated participation of over 100 nations and over 10,000 participants. The U.S. Delegation will send 17 teams with a delegation size of over 280 athletes and staff. Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)