Talk:2019 Italian government crisis

Government formation or Government crisis?

I honestly don't get why this crisis has been called "government formation" since it's a term usually used in a situation when no party won a majority at the latest election, resulting in a hung parliament. In this case, it's appropriated to call it properly as a Government crisis instead, because the latest election resulted in the Conte cabinet, and since the majority of newspapers called it a government crisis too.

I named the article "2019 government formation" because it was mainly focused on the formation of the new cabinet. However, we could re-name it "2019 Italian political crisis", if you think it's more appropriate. -- Nick.mon (talk) 13:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I would like to hear the opinion of other users like @Ritchie92, even if they made only one edit here. --Broncoviz (talk) 13:06, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I would support a move to "2019 Italian government crisis". --Ritchie92 (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Disagreement on political content

I was trying to edit the page about the 2019 Italian political crisis; however, my edit was reverted because (and I have no objections here) they are referencing one (Italian) source only. The user who reverted it, furthermore, added that my source was right-wing. I am not here to do politics, because this is an encyclopedia, but the contents of the current version are considerably left-wing socialist, considering both sources and the text itself, with particular emphasis on stigmatizing Salvini and the right-wing as the bad guys, and the left-wing as the saviours and winners of the situation.

Also, some of the wording is misleading. Indeed, Salvini could not and did not call for a snap election. That prerogative belongs to the head of State. Salvini simply asked the President to call for an early election because the existing Government was no longer supported by a parliamentary majority and no alternative majority could mirror the 2018 electoral results, at least in his opinion.

My question is, how can an agreement be reached so that the contents of the page actually mirror the events in Italy without any partisan veins? Giulioseal (talk) 21:57, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Simply, here on Wikipedia, we only report what reliable sources say. Nothing more, nothing less. We also use various sources in order to show that a certain concept is shared and approved by many of those reliable sources. Anyway, I wouldn't consider Il Giornale as a reliable source on this matter (one can use it for objective data, like dates, events, etc, but certainly not for political analysis), since it is an explicitly right-wing newspaper (also famous for defamation trials and blatantly provocative titles); also, it is in Italian, which makes it worse with respect to the sources that were already there before your edit. You removed a lot of references and good sources in your edit, and this is very bad. Also all the articles you cited were explicitly politically motivated. I would instead endorse using foreign authoritative newspapers as sources since they are in general more objective on Italian politics than Italian newspapers. Apparently all reliable sources agree about the political motivations behind the government crisis. There is no "left-wing socialist" (!) content here, and I see no stigmatization of Salvini "as the bad guys", this must be your impression. Regarding the mistake in the first sentence, I just corrected it. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:14, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

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