Talk:2019 EFL League One play-off final

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 13:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this. Harrias ^talk 13:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add a short description.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's still showing as missing for me? Harrias ^talk 15:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Got lost when I closed a tab too soon. Should be fixed. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

What source is supporting the players positions?
Nothing. I'll remove. Something I probably need to address across these articles unless someone's got a better idea. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Refs #1, #22 and #23, 11v11.com don't list a publisher, ref #10 does.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Images

What is the justification for the inclusion of the match day programme? The blurb claims "It makes a significant contribution to the user's understanding of the article, which could not practically be conveyed by words alone.", but I can't see what understanding of the match itself it adds.
Ya got me!! More than happy to replace this. In actuality, I don't believe I've ever added a programme image myself, just gone along with it. I'll be removing them from the others in due course. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tables

Could do with row scopes in the "positions" table.
Completely renovated, what do you think? Happier now it's a wikitable rather than a hand-coded thing. Plus I added the missing full stops too. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The table at the bottom of the Route to the final section is a bit of a mess: visually, the centre column isn't in the middle, there are no row or column scopes, etc etc. Unfortunately, none of these are violations of the GA criteria, so it doesn't matter.
Fixed that too, once again when we're happy, I'll roll out the fixes to all the other such articles. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Much prefer both of these now. (Well, technically, I'm still not keen on the second one at all, which I think is conveyed perfectly acceptably in the prose, but whatever.) The league table feels like it could do with a reference though. Harrias ^talk 15:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
League table reference applied in caption. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

"..and the first leg was played at the Stadium of Light." Clarify that this is a home fixture for Sunderland.
Yes. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not keen on the rewording, "Sunderland faced Portsmouth at home in their play-off semi-final.." makes it sound like the entire semi-final was at home for Sunderland, while "..and the first leg was played at the Stadium of Light." sounds like it is referring to another match. Harrias ^talk 15:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Doing whatever it takes to avoid (a) repetition and (b) noun + ing. So now I have two short sentences instead. How does that work? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Chris Maguire, who had been on the pitch for four minutes.." Without knowing when in the match this happened, this is odd phrasing: was it four minutes into the match, or had he come on as a substitute? (Presumably the latter.)
Fixed. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've further rephrased this, but feel free to revert if you're not keen. What you had was fine, I just thought this version flowed better. Harrias ^talk 15:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"was an ill-disciplined affair" Sounds a bit like journalese/op-ed to me.
Removed journalese, stuck to facts. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"..with seven yellow cards being.." Avoid noun plus -ing.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"..with the first leg being.." And again.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"..Matty Blair scored a consolation goal.." It isn't really a consolation goal in the first leg of a two-legged tie is it? Consolation goal implies it doesn't make a difference, but in this case, it does.
Quite so. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"..while Josh Maja was his team's most prolific striker having scored 15 times prior to the semi-finals, despite having left the club in January." I assume Maja played for Sunderland?
Indeed. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Long-term injured Igor Vetokele.." This seems odd phrasing; it almost feels like "Long-term injured" is a false title being ascribed to Vetokele.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"..the 11-goal Aiden McGeady.." Again, this feels odd.
Rephrased. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"..with assistant referees Nick Hopton and Andrew Fox.." Fun fact, when I used to be a referee, I officiated a few games with Andrew.
Winning. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overall not much wrong with this one, nice work. Harrias ^talk 08:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias thanks very much. I'd appreciate thoughts on the two table "fixes" if you'd be so kind, as I would re-use the approach on the other dozen or so GAs/GANs if you're happy. Everything addressed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, I've made a couple of copy-edits, and responded to a couple of points above. Harrias ^talk 15:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias responded and updated. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That all works for me. <rubber stamp> Harrias ^talk 18:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]