Talk:2019–20 Croatian presidential election

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Comment no. 1

@Northernelk888, just to be clear - when I removed KGK's image I did it because almost none (only 1 out of 7) articles on the matter had an image of the incumbent president displayed like that, and even on the one that had it, image was of a decent size, and not gigantic like one in this article. So it wasn't "scheme of previous election articles". All those images, expect in the article for the 2009-10 elections, were added the same day I removed her image, and it was all added presumably by the same person that used two different IP address (both devices located in Zagreb and network operated by the Croatian Telecom). United Union (talk) 07:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1992 - doesn't have Tuđman's image
1997 - doesn't have Tuđman's image
2000 - added on March 12, 2017‎ by the 93.136.38.225
2005 - doesn't have Mesić's image
2009–10 - the only one that had it prior to March 12, 2017‎
2014–15 - added on March 12, 2017‎ by 93.136.38.225
2019-20 - added on March 12, 2017‎ by 93.142.66.84

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Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović candidacy

There seems to be a misunderstanding. Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović as the current president cannot be a member of a political party, but she can be a candidate of a particular party in the election. She is an independent politician running as the candidate of the HDZ and three other parties, as listed by the State Election Committee, and named as such in other sources about the election, and while presenting her election platform she specifically thanked the HDZ for nominating her. She is not running as an independent candidate like Kolakušić, Škoro, Juričan and Orešković. For example, Dejan Kovač is also not a member of a political party, but is running as the candidate of the HSLS. On the other hand, Dalija Orešković is running as an independent candidate, although she is a member (and even the president) of the political party of START. Tzowu (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blank and invalid votes

We do state that "An absolute majority (50% + 1 vote) of all votes cast (including invalid and blank ballots) is required to win in the first round". Shouldn't we then present the result with these votes included in the percentages? That is after all how it is done in the source. --Aréat (talk) 23:41, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary sources on elections usually show election results with percentages calculated from the valid votes only. Following the election commission's calculation will also create inconsistency in the table as they exclude invalid votes when calculating the second round's percentages (see here). Number 5 7 00:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That would be because most elections don't use the Croatian system of requiring an absolute majority of all votes on the first round, and only the first. We could have a percentage in the first round, and a hyphen on the second. That would be unusual for sure, but that's how the croatian do it it seem. --Aréat (talk) 09:00, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please go to the source and see what the percentages are. Thanks --Tuvixer (talk) 18:59, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Results

Hello. For some reason, the source of the full results have the percentages of several candidates incorrectly rounded down. For example, Zoran Milanović with 562,783 divided by 1,903,861 make 26.56 and not 29.55 like in the source. These little errors lead to the total of added percentages making 99.93 instead of 100. Please stop reverting the fixing edit I made. Also, we simply don't put the results in bold on these elections. That's unecessary, as the top two candidates goes to the second round : there's nothing to emphasize. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is because, now for the third time, according to the Croatian electoral code the results are not devided with 1.903.861 but with 1.904.461. I hope now you understand. Thanks. --Tuvixer (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also there are elections that have three or more candidates go in the second round, so it is good to bold the two that go in the second round. Thanks. --Tuvixer (talk) 19:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You will have to explain why, you know? What do these different numbers refer to? Why isn't 1.904.461in the table. As for the bolding, the way the table is made show there's only two candidates going to the second round, as well as the content of the article. I'm removing it, like in every such election page. --Aréat (talk) 19:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pristupilo glasovanju = 1.904.461 means those who have gone to the polling stations.

glasovalo birača (prema glasačkim listićima) = 1.903.861 means those who have actually voted (according to the ballots) I am sorry that You don't know how the Croatian electoral system for presidential election works or how it is regulated, but still behave like You do. Thanks. --Tuvixer (talk) 19:13, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an explanation of why we have here 600 registered voters who went into the polling station, but didn't vote, nor made a blank ballot? That is such a weird data, I don't think I've seen it before.--Aréat (talk) 19:46, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Using A total of 1.904.961, the 600 non voters who still went to the polls make 0.03, to which there is still Mislav Kolakušić whose vote make 5.88 %, Dalija Orešković with 2.90 and Nedjeljko Babić with 0.16 %. The remaining 0.01 is lost in roundings. I will make the edit then it should be finished.--Aréat (talk) 21:03, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some electoral authorities report the number of ballot papers taken by voters separately to the number of ballots cast (I have seen it done by a few others). The latter is the standard figure to use to calculate voter turnout. And of course, we do not have to use the percentages published by the electoral authority if they are not in line with psephological norms – this falls under WP:CALC. Number 5 7 21:40, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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