Talk:2018 Pacific typhoon season/Archive 1

Archive 1

Locations of advisories

Tropical Weather Outlooks: ABPW10

Tropical Cyclone Advisories:

JMA: 01 // 02 // 03 // 04 // WWJP25

JTWC: 01 // 02 // 03 // 04 // 05 //

NWS Guam: 01 // 02 // 03

Hong Kong: WTSS20 // WTPQ20 //

Korea: Korea //

ICAO: 01 // 02 // 03

Prognostic Reasonings: TCFA 1 // TCFA 2 // Prognostic Reasoning // JMA Prognostic Reasoning

PAGASA: Severe Weather Bulletin // Typhoon Warning // Tropical Cyclone Index

Archives: CMA // HKO // SMG// JMA // JTWC // NOAA // TMD // KMA // PAGASA// NCHMF// IEM

Best Track: JMA // JTWC/NRL

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith Edkins (talk • contribs) 14:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

RSMC Best Track Data

JMA (all tracks) // NOAA // WIS Portal

Name	Date Released
1801.Bolaven	February 21
1802.Sanba	March 22
1803.Jelawat	April 25
1804.Ewiniar	July 18
1805.Maliksi	July 18
1806.Gaemi	August 13
1807.Prapiroon	August 27
1808.Maria	August 29
1809.Son-Tinh	August 30
1810.Ampil	September 4
1811.Wukong	September 4
1812.Jongdari	September 10
1813.Shanshan	September 11
1814.Yagi	October 3
1815.Leepi	October 4
1816.Bebinca	October 5
1817.Hector	October 5
1818.Rumbia	October 5
1819.Soulik	October 5
1820.Cimaron	October 5
1821.Jebi	October 19
1822.Mangkhut	October 26
1823.Barijat	November 2
1824.Trami	December 3
1825.Kong-rey	December 4
1826.Yutu	December 4
1827.Toraji	December 17
1828.Man-yi	January 11, 2019
1829.Usagi	January 11, 2019

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith Edkins (talk • contribs) 14:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Bolaven is still active

@Typhoon2017, H.V.T Pro, and 위키광역시: Bolaven is still active as of this edit. Please use |the JMA weather maps for more information, as it still states that Bolaven is still active. Thanks.Typhoon2013 (talk) 11:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok! --위키광역시 (talk) 11:15, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Future Bolaven

@Jason Rees: I guess if the next storm (Bolaven) develops before Jan 1, though the JMA upgraded the system to a TS (w a designation of 1801), it might be considered part of the 2017 season? This won't be the first time as we had Alice in 1978/79 and we could add in a note as well. It's too early to say so but if this does happen, then yea. Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:21, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

For our purposes, we would consider it a tropical depression in 2017 and a tropical storm in 2018, however, the JMA would just consider it a part of the 2018 season. The same nearly happened with Raquel but after checking through the data, they realised that it was a TC in both years (just).Jason Rees (talk) 01:26, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Well if that was the case, should the storm develop on Dec 31, then the 2018 season pretty much hasn't started yet? Despite it was named in the new year, but formed in the previous year? Typhoon2013 (talk) 05:15, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

In My opinion, if JMA give the name “Bolaven” (1801), the 2018 season started on the day which the storm was named by JMA.

Hmm, I am personally wondering if we cant get away with saying that the 2018 PTS started on December 30, since the initial TD developed on Dec 30. This is because the typhoon season doesn't really have any boundaries start or end.Jason Rees (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

You could get away with it because 01W and Agaton were not designated until January 1 due to the time zone that they are in. So technically, as done with other seasons in the past, 01W is considered the "First storm formed" section on the infobox, which as said earlier, was not designated until January 1. HurricaneGonzalo | Talk | Contribs 20:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Since Bolaven is in the "Other Systems" sections in the 2017 season page, I think there is probably no need to change it. Barbiebikinis (talk) 02:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

RSMC Tropical Cyclone Prognostic Reasoning

Since 2018, the Japan Meteorological Agency started to release complete Tropical Cyclone Prognostic Reasonings. There is not “nothing particular to explain” anymore! 🐱💬 14:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC) @Keith Edkins: Can you add this vital bulletin to your archiver please.Jason Rees (talk) 15:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I only just noticed this request. I have added the complete set of Prognostic Reasonings for Jelawat, and will include them in future.--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 20:51, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Storm Intensities

Is Jelawat now a typhoon? HurricaneCalebN (talk) 23:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

You can see here that the JMA's latest advisory still had Jelawat as a severe tropical storm. As stated previously, we use the official warning center for the basin (in this case, the JMA). — Iunetalk 23:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you lune. HurricaneCalebN (talk) 23:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I guess Jelawat isn't an official typhoon yet then? If so, sorry. HurricaneCalebN (talk) 22:52, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

935hPa from China Meteorological Administration at 30March2018 0600z warning.

Lagging Floater Imagery

The floater Imagery seems to be lacking on every website I know of. The Real-Time Imagery to the Regular Floaters, they all seem to be lagging. Now that Jelawat is a typhoon, it's hard to get Imagery for it that is present. HurricaneCalebN (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind, they are catching up. Case closed. HurricaneCalebN (talk) 15:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC)Caleb HurricaneCalebN (talk) 15:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Jelawat is still active...

@MarioProtIV: Similar to my message above for Bolaven, just to note that as of this edit, 03Z 2/4, Jelawat is still considered active as per the JMA Weather maps. Typhoon2013 (talk) 03:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

It is shown not only on the weather map but high seas advisory. Editors need to respect each RSMC or TCWC. 🐱💬 04:45, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

07W formation

@Meow: @Jason Rees: @Cyclonebiskit: So apparently the JTWC classified 07W first as a subtropical depression on 18Z of June 12th. Should we make 07W's formation as June 12, then? Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure as subtropical systems are not formally recognised in this basin. 🐱💬 07:31, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

@Meow: Well I mean, JTWC is the only one tracking it and is likely it will stay that way. So might as well change the date to the 12th where it was classified as a SD? Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I know what you meant and that is what I wanted to say. Subtropical systems are not formally recognised in this basin. If JTWC recognised, they would have already issued a warning. 🐱💬 09:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

@Meow: Yeah that's another thing the JTWC needs to re-look at really. If they consider subtropical systems in other basins like the ATL, then why not the WPac as well? Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:30, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Because JTWC is not responsible for the Atlantic. 🐱💬 12:06, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I am not a fan of including subtropical storms in regions where they are not warned upon in the same way as TC's. As a result that means we shouldnt be including subtropical cyclones in WPAC, NIO or Aus/SPAC.Jason Rees (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Updates on Typhoon Maria

Something I have noticed on other typhoon articles when compared to hurricane articles - there is little discussion of Maria's development. How did Maria change when and why? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:30, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Editors have to finish their personal business first. 🐱💬 08:54, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks this is redundant?

So I saw some changes to some articles on my watchlist to many late 20th century PTS's and that cuased me to stare at my computer screen on this filthy laptop and notice something. On the infobox, it says "Total fatalities 59 total". Why do we have total listed twice? By just putting 59, it should be obvious that's the total. I'm aware a few articles in the NHC basins still use direct/indirect (larely because the NHC only likes to count direct deaths and when WPTC first got going around the time many of you were in diapers, we mostly used just the NHC for impact) but at this point, that's the exception, not the rule, and either way, it's still redundant. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

That just looked weird so I have removed that total. 🐱💬 03:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Notification of GISC Tokyo's portal site update

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Call to help from editors

To anyone else watching this page,

Are there any editors who could provide editing skills for the typhoon names list, post-2006? I know there's a typhoon threatening Japan (Jongdari), but if there are interested editors, I ask you consider editing one of several important typhoons that have scant (or unreliable) information on Wikipedia, especially after 2006. If anyone has some editing time, I think it's fair to say this is a priority, and worth of ignoring the fact that this is canvassing for editing. I ask you if you have extra editing time to check out some older articles. I would be happy to assist in any editing requests. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Unisys archives

Hi all, as you may know, the URL weather.unisys.com/hurricane/archive is no longer working since they upgraded their website. To access the advisories contained therein, please use radar.duxpond.com/hurricane/archive instead. Damien4794 (talk) 10:35, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Seems the access to that information is forbidden now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:245:8100:2304:200d:2f8c:5463:7cef (talk) 05:39, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Handling categories

@Supportstorm and Typhoon2013: I found that we could move files in a category of Wikimedia Commons much easier by enabling Cat-a-lot in Preferences - Gadgets, so uploading hundreds of files anytime would not be a problem anymore. 🐱💬 05:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Category:Typhoon Shanshan (2018)

As some people uploaded too many things before Shanshan got upgraded, I could not rename the category by myself in Wikimedia Commons. A bot has been requested for moving the entire category. 🐱💬 07:50, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

@Meow: I guess you should talk with @Supportstorm: who has been uploading necessary images, or images that are for sure not going to be used? Pretty disappointed as well that it is now layout like this and would prefer something simple just like the usual and previous ones. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

This is not anyone’s fault. The inefficiency of Wikimedia Commons (or MediaWiki) is the reason that people could move the page only instead of the files. 🐱💬 05:25, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Whoops, didn't know a bot was going to do that work. Any case I moved the images to the new category. The reason I'm uploading so many images is for archival purposes. In doing outside analysis of tropical cyclones I have found that a portion of data is lost when invest data is expunged online. Also in anticipation that the data may be removed in the future. Supportstorm (talk) 15:12, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

The solution is added within the following section as Wikimedia Commons does provide a gadget for moving lots of files. 🐱💬 05:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2018

Hector is a remnant low, can you fix that? http://www.metoc.navy.mil/jtwc/products/abpwsair.jpg. 21BalaC5 (talk) 03:49, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

The JMA is the official warning centre for the Western Pacific, not the JTWC who are continuing to monitor Hector as a tropical depression and not a remnant low.Jason Rees (talk) 13:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

soulik

the jtwc intensifies, will be made landfall in Japan as typhoon and also affected areas in else --🌟 LUZEKI 🌟 20:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

What do you want to say?-- 🐱💬 04:50, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2018

203.87.133.132 (talk) 10:11, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Typhoon Jongdari was a strong, long-lived and erratic tropical cyclone that impacted Japan and East China in late July and early August 2018. Formed as the twelfth named storm of the 2018 typhoon season near Okinotorishima on July 24, Jongdari gradually intensified and developed into the fourth typhoon of the year on July 26. Influenced by an upper-level low and a subtropical ridge, Jongdari executed a rare counter-clockwise southeast of Japan on the next day. At that time, it also reached peak intensity. The typhoon made landfall in Kii Peninsula, over Mie Prefecture of Japan locally early on July 29.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I love the "Typhoon Jongdari" part, but please cite a source for this one. (Owen912)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2018

Jebi Up To 175 mph 207.172.180.75 (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -AntiCedros (talk) 16:17, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Owen912

Owen912 is continuously causing severe vandalism that almost ruins the accuracy of the season article. He should be reported if there are further attempts.-- 🐱💬 02:32, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Response from Owen912

Owen912: Sorry, Meow! Thanks for your message! 61.244.97.142 (talk) 11:19, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Rewriting "Season Summary"

Unlike other typhoon seasons, the "Season summary" part needs to be improved because it is not very long and doesn't cite any sources. (Owen912) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.126.224.68 (talk) 03:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Correct, but we will not get much help from Owen912 (talk · contribs), will we? Sam Sailor 10:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Article for Rumbia

Considering this storm did over $1 Billion in USD around Shanghai, I think an article is due. - Master0Garfield (talk) 12:21, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

@Master0Garfield: I've been working on one in a sandbox. It's decently close to being ready for publishing but still have some things to improve. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 13:49, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree to you, and I hope the article would be informational. (Owen912)

Message to Sam Sailor

Sam Sailor, please read the new page that is ready to be published in the future because I know that you love reading new pages. (Owen912)

TDs are the same system

Hi all, I think that the TD between 12-23 Sep and 29W are actually the same system. JTWC has been monitoring it as 93W all the way. Also I have a suspicion that these two storms might be the same circulation as Olivia in the EPAC based on satellite imagery, but I have no data to prove it. What is our protocol for reclassification in the WPAC? Damien4794 (talk) 09:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

For JMA they are different systems as the previous TD dissipated on September 23, so we have to treat them as seperate two TDs for the season article. You can prove them as the same system by referring to data from OPC, but they should be mentioned only in the 29W section. Yes, 29W actually developed from the remnants of a TD which developed from the remnants of Olivia.-- 🐱💬 02:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Okay I have finished the section.-- 🐱💬 03:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Duration of Son-Tinh

Based on information from RSMC Tokyo, Son-Tinh dissipated late on July 19, and a new tropical depression formed over the Gulf of Tonkin on July 21. Although it is obvious that the new TD developed from the remnants of Son-Tinh, we should still consider them as two separate systems. To deal with it, I have to plus one to the number of TDs, add one line note to the season effects section as well as a new button, but redirect the link of that TD to Son-Tinh. The decision would be revised if the RSMC best track data includes the part of that new TD, or someone provides a better solution. 🐱💬 02:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Meow: I'd agree with you. And yes, I would wait for Son-Tinh's BT but tbh I highly doubt they will recognize it. If this is so, I have to do the same to 2016's Aere. But I want to hear what others say about this. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

sure is a strange situation. The only place I saw refer the the system as Son-Tinh was Typhoon2000 website. I noticed CMA gave a new number, 09 to identify the depression. Son-Tinh was originally 06 from them. JMA never issued advisories on the depression to see if the track was originally 1809. Believe they would show a system's past track if one re-developed back into a tropical storm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:245:8100:2304:580a:c335:31e6:b7cd (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Why don’t you go to RSMC Tokyo’s best track and check? AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 11:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Website too long

Should we make individual tabs for every storm? Scrolling down to the latest storm is very tiring. S201400042 (talk) 17:43, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@S201400042: The table of contents has hyperlinks for a reason (if you mean mobile, I understand your concern, but that is not up to us to fix, and a tabbing system is infeasible).--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Yutu article

I am really confused why Yutu doesn't have an article. It was very powerful, the strongest of the year, and was one of the strongest US and US territories landfalling storms of all time. MegaEarthquake (talk) 03:47, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

MegaEarthquake (talk · contribs) - it takes time and effort to write an article, but anyone, including you, can do it! Just make sure the information you add is verifiable and reliable. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 04:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@MegaEarthquake: Because people who want to write do not have time.-- 🐱💬 16:05, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I can't because I'm on mobile, and it's very difficult (I have tried) to write an article on a phone. MegaEarthquake (talk) 13:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Someone has already made it. AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 08:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Retirement of Ompong

After Ompong has exceeded the damage requirement by a very high amount, should we add that Ompong will never be used again? Jusgtr (talk) 12:01, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Has it been officially retired yet? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:01, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, it has officially caused 33 Billion pesos in damage, so the name is not going to be used again. Jusgtr (talk) 00:24, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

As of now, it hasn't been officially confirmed. But I would wait for PAGASA to announce it by 2019. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Seems like one month has passed, but no announcement yet, but is it a safe bet Ompong is already out of the PAGASA lists? Jusgtr (talk) 13:57, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

It doesnt matter if its a safe bet - until its publically announced it can not be listed as a retired name.Jason Rees (talk) 11:43, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

ACE Calcs

Why isn’t anyone calculating the ACE? It’s almost the end of the year. S201400042 (talk) 17:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Tips: use the JTWC warnings: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WpXX18.gif > file history Xx is storm number. S201400042 (talk) 18:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@S201400042: Because the JTWC does not have the status of a Regional Specialized Meteorological Center, its intensity data is unofficial, unlike in the eastern Pacific and Atlantic. The JMA's data cannot be used to calculate ACE because it is only defined for 1-minute sustained winds.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I didn't know that! 61.244.97.142 (talk) 12:07, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

But who says it isn’t possible? Check this out (I’m not going to copy it.): http://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/Realtime/ Click on the basins for individual storm Accumulated cyclone energy! AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 17:01, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

60th Parallel

What happens when a typhoon crosses the 60th parallel, I know it is not impossible as Faith in the Atlantic got to 61.1 N as a tropical system. So, what would happen? Cyclone of Foxes (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Maybe more than average anomalies, just really strong, something like that. DerpieDerpie:D 14:43, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

There won’t really be an effect on the page. If it’s like that then that’s that S201400042 (talk) 18:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@DerpieDerpie:D and S201400042: What I meant by that was the definition of the NW Pacific basin says that it extends to 60 N; and this would lead a system into the Artic. Would it be like systems like Subtropical Cyclone Lexi outside the S Pacific's 120 W barrier? Cyclone of Foxes (talk) 20:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Probably. AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Man-yi

Why is there an article for Man-yi? I can’t find any bulletins in RSMC Tokyo. AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 09:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Article for Rumbia 2

Considering Rumbia was upgraded to $5 Billion, i'm actually shocked there's still no article. Where is it? - Master0Garfield (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Rumbia (2018) here you go. User:Cyclonebiskit was working on it. I hope he doesn't mind I published his sandbox. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Naming of 36W

If RSMC Tokyo upgrades 36W to a tropical storm after 00:00 UTC on January 1 with the number 1901 instead of 1830, the section will be moved to the 2019 typhoon season article, just like how we handled Bolaven.-- 🐱💬 13:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Whatever, (Pabuk) still formed in 2018, so the timeline should include it. AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 17:53, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Please update

New tropical cyclone at Philippine Sea (Source:Hong Kong Observatory)

please update. 223.197.182.190 (talk) 11:25, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Okydoky AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 17:53, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

It’s over AAnnoonnyymous (talk) 06:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 35W

@Typhoon2013: Is a separate article for Tropical Depression 35W (Usman) possible, or too early? We can consider adding its own page because there is a long-lasting effect on disaster preparedness in the Philippines, such as planned improvements on rainfall warnings and disaster warning, aside from the number of casualties and damage.--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 20:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

It may be better to wait for the final report from NDRRMC and the best track data of TS Pabuk (to be released in February), as some media and websites (including Digital Typhoon) indicated Usman and Pabuk were the same system. 🐱💬 05:11, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Retirements are out

We have the Official Retirements of this season. JMA Lists: Rumbia, Mangkhut PAGASA Lists: Ompong, Rosita, Usman

Please update as soon as possible. ThePhoneExpertYT (talk) 12:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Is there a reference that those were the only two names removed from the JMA list? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Post-Analysis

I saw on twitter that the post-analysis for all of 2018 was done. Mangkhut was given 180/896, and Jebi was given 180/907 with its landfall intensity being upped to 100MPH. I also saw that Yutu had its winds downed to 175. Can someone find all the information and update it? Gio52903 (talk) 18:13, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Typhoon Jelawat

I made a draft for Typhoon Jelawat because of the impact it had on Micronesia. I am told to make a discussion to reach a consensus whether or not the draft should be moved to mainspace. luis 💬 15:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)