Talk:2017 UK Championship

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@Adam Cuerden: That should have been done through an RM because it affects other things and will probably be contested. For example, why have you only moved this article? What about 2018 UK Championship, 2016 UK Championship, etc.? Titles are now inconsistent. There's recently already been a discussion on the naming of this championship, which came to the conclusion that the snooker champs is the most notable as carrying the title "UK Championship". So I suspect your move will be reverted but I'll wait to see what others (Lee?) say. Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:08, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: I have moved it back. See discussion at Talk:1977 UK Championship which is the latest of a number of discussions on the naming of this page and similar ones (also at Talk:UK Championship. Nigej (talk) 08:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

At best it's a contested move. At worst it's a complete disregard for prior consensus Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:25, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2017 UK Championship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 09:47, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• "28 November-10 December 2017" use English, so "to" instead of the unspaced hyphen.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Betway UK Championship" is a WP:SEAOFBLUE, and "UK Championship" is piped to a redirect back to itself.
  • I've removed this, and also the link to Betway. I don't think the sponsor needs a link in the infobox. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• " It was the eleventh ranking and first Triple Crown event of the 2017/2018 season. " sources? This also doesn't seem to be mentioned in the main part of the article.
  • added to prose and cited. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Shaun Murphy" doesn't need disambiguation, his article is simply at Shaun Murphy.
  • Should mention a lot of these disambigs have been changed since the article was written, but I'll clean them up as per below.  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Same for "John Higgins".
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• And "Neil Robertson".
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Ditto "Anthony McGill"
  •  Done - Out of interest - How did you find these? Did you look manually, or do you have a tool? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "highest break prize, with a break of " repetitive use of "break".
  • changed wording Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Date range needs spaced en-dash or "to" in the infobox as well.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• The organisers aren't mentioned in the lead.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Consider collapsing the table of contents down so it only displays headings at level 2 or above.
  • I'm not 100% sure how you do this. I know you can use __TOC__ to show a contents, but not sure how to only show certain levels. I'll take a look Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Use the {{TOC limit}} template. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 07:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Thanks for that.  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
• Prize fund, this was previously given as a table.
  • Only for the pool events, snooker ones have been like this (as in columns) for as long as I can remember. The 2018 World Snooker Championship article didn't have a table. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "The event's prize money was identical to that of the previous years event, with the event winner winning the £170,000 main prize." event, prize and winner/winning all repeated in a single sentence!
  • reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "the World Snooker Tour " why is that italicised?
  • Unknown - fixed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "best of 11 frame " I think this should really be hyphenated, i.e. "best-of-11-frame"
  • I disagree - The governing body doesn't write it this way for instance. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
    •  Not done That's not in the same context. This is mid-prose (and besides, we have Wikipedia's style guide to meet). The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 07:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
      • I'm still not sure I agree with this one - I've not seen this written anywhere - and I also don't know what style guide I'd be failing. MOS:HYPHEN seems to me like either could be written, and all sources I've found don't use hyphens. Or, if they do, it's only "best-of-19 frame matches", such as here Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
        • Well I'm not sure about "best-of-19 frame matches" - it's still not quite right because it's the "best-of-19-frames" which is modifying "matches" not "best-of-19" modifying "frame", each frame is not a "best-of-19" match, but each match is played as a "best of 19 frames". The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 09:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
          • I'm not sure I understand; but I'll take your word for it. MOS:CUE doesn't mention it at all, so I brought it up at WT:SNOOKER. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
• "The first round was played from 28–30 November 2017, and saw minimal upsets, with most of the highest ranked players progressing" You already said in the previous section when the first round started. Also no keen on "minimal", perhaps "few".
  • fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Jimmy White defeated Ali Carter in the second round, despite being over 100 " it was the first round wasn't it? And "more than 100" not "over".
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
    •  Not done this looks exactly the same as when I first reviewed it. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 07:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
      • So aparently I edit conflicted myself and it didn't save the first time. No worries, edited  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
• "the highest ranked player to proceed " that looks like the lowest ranked..
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "last 32 players remaining" either "remaining 32 players" or "last 32 players", no need for both.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Hoatian who had defeated" comma after Hoatian.
• Actually it should be Lyu, not Hoatian. When referring to Chinese players we use their "first" name and not their "surname".
  • Haotian is mentioned in prose only by full name, actually. I will change to Lyu. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Robertson would be defeated" (etc) just "was".
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "This was the lowest number of top 16 " -> "This was the fewest top 16 "
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Too many "would"s here.
  • I've deleted a lot of these Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Look out for overlinking. Once you've linked a player in the main body, don't do it again.
  •  Doing... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
    •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "after previously reaching a 5–0 lead" -> "after leading 5–0."
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• " from 10 years, prior, " no need for the comma after "years".
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• Main draw section needs a note on the seeding being equal to the world ranking.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Sunny Akani" in the draw section is piped to a redirect back to itself.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

That's a first breeze through, so I'll place the article on hold. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 14:12, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

• I think I got the bits above The Rambling Man, apart from the one I commented on. Thanks for taking a look at this one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

With all the recent talk about flags, do we really think it necessary to put these flags in the "Century breaks" section? Does the nationality matter at all in that section? The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 07:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• Probably a question for WT:SNOOKER, or at MOS:FLAG. I don't really care either way, but the full removal will likely cause backlash without an actual conversation. In comparrison to the flagicon/athlete issue, in this case the MOS hasn't been broken. I'll start a conversation soon about it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Aparently the flag in the century breaks column is quite recent, so I've removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I would also consider the use of dynamic columns, using {{div col}} and {{div col end}}, that way the columns dynamically adjust according to browser width. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 07:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

• •  Done. Didn't know these existed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Just to make you aware The Rambling Man (in case you don't have the page watchlisted), I've done all but one of the above. The issue regarding hyphens I've brought up at WT:SNOOKER, but I might ping people at the MOS to make it aware. I'll change to whatever the consensus is afterwards, regardless, as I don't really have a dog in the fight, and I don't want it to stop a GA. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Looking good, just a final few words on the refs:

• You link World Snooker three and format not in italics. Later it's not linked and in italics. Be consistent in the formatting, and either link once or every time.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• You have Guardian and the Guardian, it's actually The Guardian.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• Don't think you need the name of the website in the title (e.g. ref 34 has BBC Sport in the title, see ref 41 as well, check others).
  • All bar the one that says "2017/18 World Snooker Season", which for obvious reasons is exempt. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 06:50, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• •  Done The Rambling Man - Thanks for looking into these. I really must scour the refs next time, I thought I got all of these before Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Okeydokes, I think I've hammered you enough on this one. I'm satisfied that it meets the requirements for GA (and beyond), so I'll pass it. Good work. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 08:05, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help The Rambling Man! I appreciate any input to make these articles better. If this was a suitable FA nominee when I've worked on it a bit more, let me know. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:17, 7 August 2019 (UTC)