Talk:2016–17 Israeli Basketball Super League

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Requested move 23 April 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved.(non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 10:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2016–2017 Israeli Basketball Super League → 2016–17 Israeli Basketball Super League – One used called to MOS:DATERANGE for undoing a move for the style used for all Sporting leagues in this article. Asturkian (talk) 21:12, 23 April 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:38, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The same should be done to other seasons' articles. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:11, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Per MOS:DATERANGE this is the preferred format. It says the 2 digit second year "may" be used, but this is the preferred format. - Galatz ^Talk 14:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- The preferred format for sports seasons is XXXX–XX. Even the RFC's result says so. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please show me where it says preferred?? It clearly states in the RFC that it can be, not that it should be. There is a difference - Galatz ^Talk 18:54, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - I suppose "Secondly, applications such as sports seasons, fiscal years, and consecutive years use the two-year date range convention without problems. These applications can continue to do so." and "(3) in certain topic areas if there is a very good reason, such as matching the established convention of reliable sources." (MOS:DATERANGE) sum up this clearly, doesn't it? – Sabbatino (talk) 08:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - It does, it clearly says CAN continue, not should continue. If it was a should than it would have been specifically states so in the WP:DATERANGE criteria. That does not say its the preferred format, it says its an alternative option that could be used. To say its the preferred format is you reading into something that is not there. It very clearly lists at as an alternative, but as secondary. - Galatz ^Talk 13:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        Show 10 sources that refer to this season as 2016–2017 and then we can talk, because even the league's website uses the 2016–17 format (I can not believe that I have to repeat what was clearly written). Even MOS:DATERANGE clearly (and I mean VERY clearly) states that XXXX–XX format can be used if there's a good reason for that and there is one – this is the established convention of reliable sources. On a side note, you were the one who moved this and many other pages without even discussing it with anyone by saying that MOS:DATERANGE did not permit this when it is the opposite. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:23, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        I did not say that, but it sure makes a good story. I said to conform with the changes, there is a big difference. Once again you are confusing the word CAN with the word MUST. It doesn't say "XXXX-XX format must be used..." - Galatz ^Talk 01:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        You confused "can" and "must" in the first place when you moved the page to current name. Go on and try moving 2016–17 EuroLeague to 8-digit name and see what will happen. I will repeat again – per MOS:DATERANGE it allows using 6-digit name as there is a special case, which is following the established convention of reliable sources as reliable sources use the "XXXX–XX" naming. So stop playing the Per MOS:DATERANGE this is the preferred format card and just admit that you should have asked before moving various articles. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It isn't expressing a range, it is expressing a sports season. Those are XXXX–XX. There used to be language in MOS calling this out but somewhere along the line it was deleted. That said, this article isn't actually expressing a range (where the endash is short for "From .. To," it is expressing a sport season. Look at pretty much all the others - the consensus is XXXX–XX. Rikster2 (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Even the league's website uses the XXXX–XX format and that is the standard for sports seasons. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support, obviously. MOS:DATERANGE, WP:CONSISTENCY, and reliable sources all agree on the two digit ending. And no, DATERANGE doesn't say that two digits are "secondary" to four. Laurdecl ^talk 03:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support to match source use. NB. it is not a date range, MOS:DATERANGE doesn't apply. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:46, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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