Talk:2016–17 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup

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New order of start for Speed Racers

Dear Sir, I am afraid that the interview with the Race Director of the FIS, Markus Waldner (he is competent for male racers, but the statement in regard to changings in the order of start is also binding for female racers), isn't good enough to understand. By cit. German Wikipedia, I would like to point out that the new scheme of order of start is a "little comeback" to the scheme which was established up from the season 1993/94 (please see the talk of that season - and that scheme did change three times since that season - 2002, 2006, 2008). Now speed racers (as well downhill racers as Super-G racers) can pick up their numbers anew. Different regulation is, that only the first 20 of the so called "World Cup Starting List" ("WCSL") are allowed to do - and the regulations say: The first, third, fifth, seventh, ninth, eleventh, thirteenth, fifteenth and nineteenth of the "WCSL" are allowed to pick up a number from 1 to 19 which is an odd number (and the first of that "WCSL" is the first to choose). In the same wise, the other ten racers (second of the "WCSL" until the twentieth) will pick up the remaining numbers (even numbers). That procedure is also allowed in Alpine Combined Events when such an event will be started with a downhill race or Super G (and, in general, all Alpine Combined Events are scheduled to be started with a speed race; only bad weather conditions could make it necessary to start with the slalom race). Racers upwards from 21 in the "WCSL" are awarded with those numbers according their ranking (number 21 for the 21st ranked racer; I think there is no need to point out: If the 21st ranked racer doesn't start (announces to doesn't start - maybe an injured racer mustn't announce that he doesn't start; to a greater degree she/he will announce if she/he will start the comeback), the number 21 goes to the next ranked racer - in the same, if one (ore more) of the first 20 of the "WCSL" doesn't start, the 21st ranked racer (or more) will move forwards into the "Top 20".

I know about exceptions for racers who did gain 500 points in the Overall World Cup of the previous season (or now in the current season): Those racers are allowed to start in all disciplines with a better number than it is given in the "WCSL". It is not necessary to cite the words of the regulations, but in general, such racers will start with bib number 31 like Mikaela Shiffrin in the Super-G-race at Lake Louise (December 3rd, 2016) or like Lara Gut with bib number 31 in the slalom at Sestriere (December 11th, 2016). I know about this, that speed racers were allowed to start with bib number 16 in technical disciplines but I don't know if that regulations are still established. In earlier years there was no permission for doing so; a very good speed racer had to start with a very high number (according to his ranking in the "WCSL") and it was unfair but she/he was "excluded" from the run for the Overall World Cup (maybe in the late 1990ies that regulation was established). 213.225.13.201 (talk) 18:11, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Q: Who cares? (A: not me) This page is about data, not trivia. We list who won what, where they won it and the rankings & CHuFss associated with these races. We DO NOT track trivia - that is why we have so many references - for those who want to find the nits to read about. This page is simple... not a doctoral thesis about the season. -- –HacksawFW– my edits 14:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No diary, but

Dear Sir, I wouldn't like to comment all the races - it may be done in a summary after the season, but in order to do not forget (beside great surprises like the "Do not finish first run", so it is defined in the Official Result Lists, of Mikaela Shiffrin in the Slalom at the Sljeme next Zagreb on January 3rd, 2017, being her first "DNF" since December 2012), it is to note that it was the first time that a female race of Latvia (Lelde Gasuna) and even in general a racer of Belarus (Maria Shkanova) were able to become a racer in the second leg (and both could finish the race; and not on the last places: Gasuna place 22, Shkanova place 23). Latvia and Belarus maybe countries which are able to have good bobsleigh riders, bobbers, icehockey players but not in Alpine Skiing. 213.225.13.201 (talk) 18:36, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this seems like minutiae trivia and irrelevant to the purpose of the page. -- –HacksawFW– my edits 14:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. The arguments for not moving don't have a policy rationale and the arguments for the move show that this is a standard naming convention. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 03:45, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Alpine Skiing World Cup → 2016–17 Alpine Skiing World Cup – To fix format per standard naming convention, see 2016–17 FIS Cross-Country World Cup, 2016–17 Biathlon World Cup etc. This 50th season began on 22 October 2016 (per article). 95.133.179.156 (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DO NOT CONCUR. First of all... the World Cup racers refer to it as their 2017 season and not their 16-17 season. Secondly, I think you make a false assumption regarding years. Yes. The season straddles the 2 Calendar Years (CY), however, it IS contained wholly within their Fiscal Year (FY2017), 1 Oct to 30 Sep. Third - there is no Standard Naming Convention on this issue. You just want to standardize stuff. The only standard is to name it what it actually (already) is. -- –HacksawFW– my edits 14:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Do you have the sources (about using of fiscal years)? Try to see the FIS official website (calendar section) with a link to the official calendar: AUDI FIS SKI WORLD CUP 2016/17 LADIES/MEN. And there are many secondary sources: Eurosport: 2016/17 Alpine Skiing World Cup, CNN: 2016-17 Alpine Skiing World Cup season, NBC Sports etc. 95.133.179.156 (talk) 17:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Again.. Call it what you want. But then you would have to go back and change all of the previous years that use the simple #### format. What CNN and others do to clarify or dumbdown the Calendar thing is their business. The racers call it the #### season and the World Cup finale is in that #### year. –HacksawFW– my edits

Yes, all season articles must be renamed in "two years" format, I think. Of cource, if the season was started before the New Year. Compare please: 1997–98 FIS Freestyle Skiing World Cup (1 Aug – 15 Mar), but 1999 FIS Freestyle Skiing World Cup (9 Jan – 21 Mar). No any reasons to use the single year format in the Aphine Skiing World Cup only. The official sources were shown above. 95.133.179.156 (talk) 22:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Still. DO NOT CONCUR. It does not make the article any better for the change. Mobile Pads and Smartphone Apps need streamlined and succinct naming for ease of use AND search engines like Google, Bing, Yahoo, etc... search and find the page much quicker and place it on Page 1 of the search results when you search "Alpine 2017" than "Alpine 2016-17". In fact you would have to know to write '2016-17' as a factor. The Wikipedia internal search engine does much better with the succinct search as well. I will NEVER endorse the change on this 'English language' wiki page. –HacksawFW– my edits

Support The article name is false, as the season spans two years, it begins in 2016. Hacksaw only wants more comfort for lazy people who aren't able to write a few more characters, but this is not a good argument.--User:Tomcat7 (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Still DO NOT CONCUR. Look back at all of the previous 49 seasons ARTICLES. Each and every season, back to the first in 1967 is named YEAR Alpine Skiing etc... NOT one is name YYYY-YY Alpine Skiing etc... It is not about lazy - it is about getting more and more eyes on the page. Not all readers are avid contributors. They want in, they want eyes on the topic, they want concise references, and they want to walk away from the topic 2 minutes later. Wiki isn't about the anal retentive fascists that throw up comments like the one above. It is about quick, easy access to information not easily gathered elsewhere. –HacksawFW– my edits Take a marketing class. And check the page analytics (LANGVIEWS) here. The top 2 of the 13 related language sites are English then Italiano. Both use the YYYY format not YYYY-YY, and together they exceed the combined viewing (recently) of all the other pages. Norge is the third YYYY format and is middle of the pack. 21:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Support. Seems like a waste of time and efort for no gain. The 1st paragraph and infobox clearly state 2016-17. 12.72.104.143 (talk) 14:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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prize money references?

So, why is there a reference to a exchange page next to CHF? That seems to have nothing to do with alpine skiing. 88.114.246.209 (talk) 20:21, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

that is the only currency fis skiiers are paid with. in Swiss Francs. as smart as the wikipedia crowd is, not everyone worldwide knows what the Swiss Franc equates to in their local currency. click the link and find that the top performers make some serious cash!!! 12.72.104.121 (talk)

But you have to enter manually the numbers there, not fun to enter 10 number with 6 digits. Secondly, the rates change over time, so there should be the rates from the time the they earned the money. After 5 or 10 years, it makes no sense anymore. 85.76.160.193 (talk) 06:45, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]