Talk:2014 NHL entry draft

Arizona Coyotes

When adding trades that involve Phoenix for the rest of the 2013–14 NHL season; please refer to them as the Arizona Coyotes as the name change will take effect for the 2014–15 NHL season. If the Coyotes trade away any more of their draft picks please refer to the Coyotes' fourth-round pick that has already been traded for formatting. Deadman137 (talk) 19:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

NYR conditional 7th-round pick

Could it safely be assumed that the condition from the first trade of this pick (to SJS, together with Tommy Grant for Brandon Mashinter) has not been met? If so, we should remove the line either by commenting it out (for later reference once the league releases the exact draft order) or by deleting it altogether... Unfortunately, research regarding the condition was unsuccessful, otherwise the riddle would have already been solved. --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 11:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I have looked for a condition on the SJS part of that trade for the last year with no luck. I would assume that the condition did not convert with last season’s trade, but I do not have any concrete evidence to confirm or deny what happened. Deadman137 (talk) 07:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Devils first-round pick and compensatory picks

As we all know the New Jersey Devils must forfeit their first-round pick this year's draft. This may result in some editors trying to remove the Devils pick from the 1st round table when it gets made later this year. I am proposing that we use the same numbering criteria that was used in the 2011 draft when the Devils had to give up their 3rd round pick that year, any objections?

Also as quick side note; this draft will not have any compensatory 2nd round picks as all of the 2009 first-round picks were signed by an NHL team. So there should be 210 picks for the 2014 draft. Deadman137 (talk) 07:29, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Using the same numbering criteria as in 2011 is a good idea, which is, by the way, also what the NHL is actually doing, only that the column for the club is left blank, most likely for technical reasons on their side. --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 11:45, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Should we have a contingency plan in place on the off chance that the Devils miss the playoffs and somehow win the draft lottery? If that were to happen then there technically would not be a first overall pick. Deadman137 (talk) 02:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Conditionals in STL-BUF trade

If both conditions for the involved first-round pick in 2014 kick in, the Sabres will receive said pick from the Blues in exchange for Minnesota's second and their own third; if one condition fails to be converted, Buffalo gets a third in 2016 instead, right?

Sorry for the reassurance question, but there are really too many conditions attached to this trade... XD --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 07:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

That is correct. Deadman137 (talk) 03:25, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Play off team draft order

Does anyone know the draft order of playoff teams was changed due to the relaligment: It was (in reverse order): SC winner, SC runnerup, 2 conference final losers, ANY REMAINING DIVISION CHAMPS, remaining playoff teams. Considering there's only 4 divisions versus the previous 6, did they change it up? TerminalPreppie (talk) 14:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the league changed it to SC winner, then any remaining division winners and remaining playoff teams. Deadman137 (talk) 03:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a reference for that? TerminalPreppie (talk) 14:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I think I got it: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377 TerminalPreppie (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

So, as of 5/14, (ignoring NJD to simplify things): NYR picks 18th each round, unless they win the cup in which they pick last. On the other end, Boston is either 29th or last each round. TerminalPreppie (talk) 14:57, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Its actually pretty simple. The draft order of the playoff teams is...

    DAL,DET,CBJ,PHI,NYR,MIN,LAK,MTL,TBL,CHI,SJS,STL,PIT,COL,ANA,BOS

The only thing to determine is who wins the Cup and moves to the back of the line. TerminalPreppie (talk) 20:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Since the Bruins were the Presidents Trophy winners, their elimination now assures them 29th under this new system. Canuck^{89 (talk to me)} 06:50, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Source? TSN says: "The Stanley Cup Finalist will receive the 28th overall selection with the Stanley Cup Champion receiving the 29th overall selection." Giskard (talk) 09:50, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

See the source given above (which is from the NHL): [1]. The section titled "Entry Draft Order" states the following:

The order of selection among the Member Clubs in each season shall be determined in the following manner:
A composite of all Member Clubs shall be prepared by placing:
i) First the Clubs which failed to qualify for the preceding playoffs in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest points total and followed by the Club having the next lowest points total, and so forth.
ii) The Clubs which participated in the preceding playoffs (but had not been ranked first in their respective Divisions and had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iii) The Clubs which had been ranked first in their Divisions during the next preceding season (but had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iv) The Stanley Cup winner shall select last, thus, positioning all Clubs on the list.

Basically, this means:
i) All non-playoff teams pick before the playoff teams. Lower amount of points = a higher pick.
ii) All playoff teams (excluding division winners) receive the next picks. Again, lower amount of points = a higher pick.
iii) All division winners receive the next picks. As before, lower amounts of points = a higher pick.
iv) Stanley Cup winner receives the last pick.

The league is the organization holding the draft, not TSN. Thus, we go by the order the league sets. Canuck^{89 (talk to me)} 10:20, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, totaly missed that one. Giskard (talk) 06:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Now the NHL has put out this: link, so I will update according to this new link. Canuck^{89 (chat with me)} 08:28, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

I pointed out the conflicting info from NHL.com to their managing editor on Twitter, he's looking into it. If it changed with re-alignment, no one mentioned it at the time, so even he's not sure right now. Wayne61 (talk) 20:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed that the Hockey Operations page is out-of-date. The Conference Finalists are still the final four in draft order, no change with re-alignment. Wayne61 (talk) 21:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. TerminalPreppie (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

That's amazing considering that's how it's been for years and yet TerminalPreppie told me the rules suddenly changed without any announcement or news statement ever being made... Yet here we were with conference final losers just ahead of the Cup finalists, exactly how I listed them on the page. Hmmm... =\ (saint0wen (talk) 04:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC))

Ok. TerminalPreppie (talk) 14:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

References

Marian Gaborik trade

The Kings owe the Blue Jackets two 2nd round picks (one in 2014 and Toronto's in 2015), I just made the decision to make the 2014 pick transfer for the playoff condition and transfer the 2015 pick using the King's option. I'll change it if anyone has any objections or can come up with any better evidence. Deadman137 (talk) 16:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• That's not an accurate representation of the trade according to the Columbus Dispatch. It's a conditional 2nd and a formerly conditional 3rd. Anaheim gets to choose whether to take Los Angeles's 2nd rounder in 2014 or 2015, and Columbus gets what they don't take. Columbus gets L.A.'s 3rd rounder because L.A. won their first round playoff series. Here's the source: [2] Jwolfe (talk) 17:48, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you for finding that article, it may prove useful next month. However there are published stories from both the National Hockey League and CBC that contradict what Aaron Portzline is reporting about the third-round pick. This is likely going to have to be resolved when then league puts out the official draft list next month. Deadman137 (talk) 03:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

BOS/PHI Meszaros conditional

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=26853 Can some one clarify this. As I see it: A) Meszaros signs before draft: PHI gets the 2nd B)Meszaros walks/retires: PHI gets the 3rd C) Meszaros resigns over the summer : PHI gets the 3rd and also 2015's 4th. Right? TerminalPreppie (talk) 13:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

That's correct. Deadman137 (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Omark trade

Looks like pick 151 (Buffalo's 6th round pick) did in fact go to the Oilers in the Omark trade. The initial condition was Omark playing 15 games, but there must have been another condition that was not reported that gave the Oilers the pick. Deadman137 (talk) 01:23, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think this is correct. According to NHL.com, Buffalo is selecting 1st in the 6th round.. Llopster (talk) 12:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

References

Possible style change?

Was just looking over at the NBA draft page, as that was underway tonight. Was curious if people were interested in making changes similar to what they have there? For example,

===Round 3===

#	Player	Nationality	NHL Team	College/Junior/Club Team
61			Buffalo Sabres
62			Chicago Blackhawks (from Florida)1
63			Columbus Blue Jackets (from Edmonton via Los Angeles)2
64			Calgary Flames
65			New York Islanders
66			Vancouver Canucks
67			Carolina Hurricanes
68			Toronto Maple Leafs
69			Winnipeg Jets
70			Ottawa Senators
71			New Jersey Devils
72			Nashville Predators
73			Arizona Coyotes
74			Washington Capitals
75			Dallas Stars
76			Detroit Red Wings
77			Columbus Blue Jackets
78			New York Islanders (from Philadelphia)3
79			Minnesota Wild
80			Tampa Bay Lightning
81			San Jose Sharks
82			St. Louis Blues
83			Calgary Flames (from Pittsburgh)4
84			Colorado Avalanche
85			Anaheim Ducks
86			Boston Bruins
87			Montreal Canadiens
88			Chicago Blackhawks
89			New York Rangers
90			Los Angeles Kings

Pick	Original team	Draft team	Transactions
1 ^	Florida Panthers	Chicago Blackhawks	Florida to Chicago (March 2, 2014) Florida acquired Brandon Pirri Chicago acquired a fifth-round pick in 2016 and this pick.
2 ^	Edmonton Oilers	Columbus Blue Jackets	Edmonton to Los Angeles (January 15, 2014) Edmonton acquired Ben Scrivens. Los Angeles acquired this pick. Los Angeles to Columbus (March 5, 2014) Los Angeles acquired Marian Gaborik. Columbus acquired Matt Frattin, a second-round pick in 2014 or 2015 and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade). The condition — Columbus will receive a third-round pick if Los Angeles wins one round in the 2014 Stanley Cup playoffs — was converted on April 30, 2014.
3 ^	Philadelphia Flyers	New York Islanders	Philadelphia to New York Islanders (March 4, 2014) Philadelphia acquired Andrew MacDonald. Chicago acquired Matt Mangene, a second-round pick in 2015 and this pick.
4 ^	Pittsburgh Penguins	Calgary Flames	Pittsburgh to Calgary (March 5, 2014) Pittsburgh acquired Lee Stempniak. Chicago acquired this pick.

-Uncleben85 (talk) 04:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

At this point in time, no interest in changing things. Deadman137 (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. Just an idea; it's a little cleaner than the blocks of text. -Uncleben85 (talk) 02:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

How about next time, do it like the NHL rosters where the nationality column only has the flag and is sortable.

References

Possible new table

I'm posting the flowing proposal on behalf of Mb34:

"I want to propose adding a "draftees based on league" table. I imagine readers would be equally interested in an aggregation of which leagues future NHL players are coming from as much as which countries they are coming from. A table of the top 5 leagues would probably suffice. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mb34 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)"

Does anyone have any comments? Deadman137 (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it could hurt anything. Baseball420 (talk) 18:21, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

• Restore table. Expanding the article with such information would be beneficial. Dolovis (talk) 20:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The table has been restored, though it may need some minor formatting tweaks if anyone wants to tackle that feel free to do so. Deadman137 (talk) 05:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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