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Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. There is nothing useful we can say about the 2014 Asian Games, other than it's the Asian Games, and it's in 2014. We don't know dates in the year it might take place, we don't know where it's happening, and we don't know about the biding process. Remember, just because something is factual does not mean that we need include it on a Wikipedia article somewhere. To think it does is a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Our readers would clearly not benefit from this article at this time, and would be better served by a redirect to Asian Games until this event comes closer. This is not deletion, and the article can come back at a more appropriate time, say 2009 or so. In the meantine, it doesn't matter how big the event might be, it's just too far away, and all we would be doing is speculating anyway. Chris cheese whine 05:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No bidding process? huh, are you check the news, i wanna to add more details and the host will be annouced in April 2007, the bidding process is already on, why you say no? That is rediculous. --Aleen f1 05:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why does that mean we have to write about it? More importantly, why do we need an article on the 2014 Games now? Chris cheese whine 06:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The answer in already here, bidding process on! No reason why it is crystal ball. --Aleen f1 08:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't answered the question. Why do we need an article on the 2014 Games, right now, a full 8 years before they are due to take place? Chris cheese whine 15:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you not involved in this article, please don't smart to redirect, crystal ball say no speculation information, so 8 years is not problem (is not far to 10 beyond). If i'm found some valuable information and i'm want to add it, revert and then redirect by you is nonsense indeed. That is valuable information and no speculative. And the bidding process can change anyway and the newest information could be occur. I won't stop you if the information just speculation, but this is true anyway. --Aleen f1 00:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I refer the honorable member to the question I posed some moments ago. Chris cheese whine 01:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What is your point to redirect the page. And why 2016 Summer Olympics is take 10 years time to become current, why this 8 years is UNCOMPARABLE? I hope you can tell the reason why before revert. Should your reason is nonsense, it should be consider vandalism, and 2016 can include bidding, why this should be redirect, i ask you question now. I hope you can tell a more satisfy reason! --Aleen f1 05:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the "crystal ball" thing about speculation about the future? Detailing the current bidding process is about the present. -- User:Docu

This seems fine to me, as is. The current information is verifiable and avoids crystal ball speculation of any sort that I can recognize. We know that there will be games, we know that there are bids out -- saying as much is hardly speculation. Luna Santin 05:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

In my edit summary, I incorrectly stated that the reason I was reverting User:Chriscf's redirect of this page to Asian Games was because she had performed the redirect without discussion. In my haste, I failed to notice that there had indeed been some discussion and that it is clear that consensus was not reached. Thus, the correct rationale for reverting the page redirect would have been because there was no consensus for a redirect. I apologize for my error.--DaveOinSF 02:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of sports

Since it is still another 4 years, listing it will not benefit it, see 2012 Summer Olympics, it is a statement rather than a list. Addition, some disciplines may not be kept, you can guaranteed BMX still in the list since it just a demonstration sport in Olympics? --Aleen f1 15:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another is, instead add a speculation/guest statement, will be worth for us to wait for next month to confirm all sports. The remove sports can be stated with reason based on future confirmation. --Aleen f1 15:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see why the timeframe should be a determiner of when verifiable material should be considered "non beneficial". I suppose we can stop writing anything about the future just because it is has yet to happen and hence of no relevance, going by the same argument. The sources all point to the fact that all olympic sports are to be contested, and the lists of sports has been a source of concern since this is the first time the sports are being trimmed in this manner in the history of the Asian Games. This is no different from the plenty of news coverage surrounding the removal of softball/baseball and the subsequent addition of golf and rugby in the Olympics, plus all those list of sports with similar aspirations, all of which were will reported both in the media and in wikipedia. Hence, there is nothing speculative about the list, which is purely based on published facts. At the minimum, the specific events can be removed, but the sports can certainly be listed. We in wikipedia do not wait for an entire month and fail to report relevant news leading up to the final announcement just by calling it all a "speculation/guest statement" when verifiable sources are clearly available and listed. I have therefore restored the list, and I would consider any further removals without good reason as acts of vandalism and probably should be dealt accordingly.--Huaiwei (talk) 14:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism? Can you punish that way when you have conflict with others? Is more like a threat. --Aleen f1 19:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I remove the list, rationale, is another 4 years, Asian Games not like Olympic Games, which use the "registration system" for most of sports, rather than based on "merit", list it is more like a rubbish that caught vandalism to create a nonsense article, so if you want to say "VANDALISM", just go ahead, i don't thinkl your "threat" somehow will affect my style of editing. --Aleen f1 00:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The location of Incheon in the map seem a bit off. Can anyone fix? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.62.235 (talk) 22:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tarnishing?

have drawn worldwide criticism from spectators to journalists, tarnishing the reputation of the Asian Games. That is no source telling that one band missing from perform list will tarnish the reputation of the Games! POV though.--Aleen f1 15:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please feel free to remove any unreferenced and biased information. I did it before but fans keep adding them back. I understand their frustration, i'm a fan of JYJ myself, but Wikipedia is not a platform for expressing anger, however justified it is. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 13:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sports

Regarding the reason for the reinstatement of the gold medal: Although "Organizers declined to reveal reasons for the U-turn by the jury, one shooting official said the disqualification may have been due to a technical error." The official further stated that "I am just guessing, but it is possible the weight of the rifle had been wrongly calculated". -https://sports.yahoo.com/news/china-shoot-world-record-dq-drama-074817179--spt.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.62.190.44 (talk) 13:20, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Athlete personal behavioral issue

Does athlete personal behavioral issues is a controversy to the Games? I don't quite get it all. Including such information is make no sense, as it is athlete personal behavioral problems. --Aleen f1 06:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm repeat again, PERSONAL misbehaving is NOT Games controversy. Please put the information on athlete's bio (article) itself, not here. The press is reporting it, but no label it as controversy. --Aleen f1 08:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please be respectful of the fact that other editors may disagree with your definition of what is unimportant. The removal of one or two entries is acceptable but deleting entire sections of the article violates Wikipedia policy. See WP:CONSENSUS.

I feel that the section needs to stay. We should be looking at each controversy one by one and eliminate trivial ones. The issues that directly led to actions taken by the governing bodies of the Games are notable enough to be listed. Cases in which laws and code of conduct are broken should be listed if they are severe and if they illicit severe reactions by the governing bodies of the Games. The sexual harassment cases and the theft cases should stay. The Sun Yang remark is slightly weak for a controversy and is debatable. The defection of athletes is vary significant as it cripples entire programs. For example, the defection of Cameroon athletes during the London Olympics is listed in Concerns and controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics#Other Mkatter (talk) 09:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think i should i define you right and so as you, but the point of added by you. Every addition of you is sourced. However, by refer to other article pointless due to the fact that the article you linked also tagged to be cleanup. As stand also, Wikipedia is not news source. Athlete misbehaved is not going to taint the reputation of the Games nor for the organisers. Is issue for athlete him/herself coincide with it was happened during the Games. Every cases are worth for governing bodies to response, but press reporting it rather than label it as controversy --Aleen f1 11:29, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the problem with a controversies section. As long as the behavior of an athlete is directly related to the games, they should be a part of the games article. Of course, it depends on how significant the issue is with trivial things excluded. --regentspark (comment) 14:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also support keeping the behavioral issues in the article. The article Mkatter linked: Concerns and controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics#Other is a good reference point. The issues were significant enough to include. As long as the issue was significant enough for the OCA to make a move, it should be noted. The sexual harassment issues led to the distribution of flyers, which is similar to this controversy here: Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics#Professionalism_and_etiquette. Athletes committing crimes have been reported in the past like here: Concerns_and_controversies_over_the_2010_Commonwealth_Games#Vandalism_of_Games_Village_by_Athletes. The Sun Yang remark also deserves to be mentioned. Racists remarks made by multiple athletes are noted in multiple different controversy places. Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics#Athletes.27_behavioural_issues and Concerns_and_controversies_over_the_2010_Commonwealth_Games#Racism_allegations. I also think that there isn't a neutral POV in the controversy section. There seems to be a bias against South Korea. In recent edits made by Aleen f1: "The Games marred by Qatar women's basketball team withdrew due to hijab row, and OCA policy on naturalized players, which contradicted the eligibility rule set by FIBA, and organizers disqualified US-born player Quincy Davis, Andray Blatche from participation." leave out the fact that Aaron Haynes, an American-born but naturalized Korean citizen, was banned by FIBA as well. There is a severe lack of reporting on legitimate controversies outside of the host favoritism and a concerted effort to hide and delete other controversies. As long as the importance and the severity of the controversies are on a similar level, they should be reported equally, regardless of nationality of the perpetrator. Roninst (talk) 16:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You and Mkatter, support each other, i am suspect. If Concerns and controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics is a good reference point, then they is no need the article to tagged "Judgement required as to what is and isn't a controversy". Wikipedia is not a news source, is press reporting that sexual harassment is a controversy? So it is mean you are neutral and press are bias? Remember title is "Concerns and controversies at the Games" which the concerns is directed at the Games rather than personal behavior. --Aleen f1 16:49, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Roninst, please assume good faith. The point of the talk page is to discuss changes to the article, not to attack other editors. I added Aaron Haynes to the list of banned basketball players. I question the argument that personal behavior is not controversial and relevant. The Palestinian footballer was arrested by local authorities while the football tournament was still going on, and Palestine still had Games left to play. Same thing with the Iranian official. Mkatter (talk) 17:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following comment was posted on my talk page and I am posting it here as it is relevant to this discussion.

"Please discuss it on talk page, and not revert. The point is the press not indicate that the athlete misbehaved is a controversy, nor you should have. Another point is, personal misbehave is not Games controversy, the misbehaving should add in athlete and team bio itself, not Games. Stealing is not a Games controversy, the Games did not tell you to steal. I am going to revert again. --Aleen f1 08:08, 4 October 2014 (UTC))"[reply]

Mkatter (talk) 17:43, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Still i see this is problem of athlete him/herself rather Games itself. You can think it is Games because it is happened during the Games. However if the incident happen outside the Games, how this is to be compile? As i said, personal things can be written into athlete bio, no necessary to bunch up. --Aleen f1 04:13, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Professional images of the 2014 Asian Games can be uploaded!

The Iranian Tanim News website uses the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. The webiste has albums of a lot of sports events including albums of the 2014 Asian Games. I think it's worth to upload all the images to Wikimedia Commons so they can be used in the articles. (An example of uploaded images are Commons:Category:2016 Summer Olympics, Iran v Egypt, 13 August 2016). I don't have time to do it myself, but to start with I made an overview of the several Asian Games albums.

See User:Sander.v.Ginkel/TasnimNewsImages#Asian Games.

Hopefully people are willing to upload the imags. Would be a great contribution! Thanks, Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 09:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sport Section

I have reverted to include the sports icons of each sport, per the normal of these kinda events. For ex. take a look at the 2016 Summer Olympics. Removing them is also against MOS and might present an access issue. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Icons should serve an encyclopedic purpose and not merely be decorative. They should provide additional useful information on the article subject, serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension, or improve navigation. [1] These icons do serve as additional useful information (they provide the reader with what the sport is. I can see this being useful for those who are not fluent in English), they do serve as visual cues and improve navigation. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:01, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pictogram

Pictogram already available via Calendar and i see no reason why should repeat in sports area, just for decorative purposes? --Aleen f1 14:59, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Still people are more selective on decorative purposes rather than serve as encyclopedic purposes. --Aleen f1 15:02, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It totally escaped me that the calendars too have the icons. I think we need to have a standard across all articles where the calendars have the icons and the sports section does not. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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