Talk:2014–15 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/GA2

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Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 10:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Go on then, I'll take this beast on. Harrias ^talk 10:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Initial comments

• Overall the article looks in pretty good shape.
• I don't like the departures section, where the text is squashed in between the three images on the left and the standings on the right, and would recommend finding a way to reformat that section to avoid it.
  • I just got feedback at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_Basketball#The_time_is_now_for_images that the images shoudl be removed from the departures section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    • What about a more modest image usage like I just proposed? I think more images is better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
      • The images have recently been removed by another editor.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
• Another formatting issue occurs in the Roster section, where my screen displays whitespace above the table, which it does not display until after the first of the images which are right-aligned.
  • I have seven browsers installed (Opera, Microsoft Edge, Safari, Internet Explorer, Google Chrome, Netscape Navigator and Firefox). All of them display without issues at 1600x900. At 1440x900 Internet Explorer displays whitespace above the table beside all three images in the Roster section. At 1360x768, MSIE and MSE display whitespace beside all three images while Chrome and Opera display whitespace only beside the top image. At 1280 width, the image pushes over the table in FF and Safari, while only Netscape displays correctly. I could keep going, but I think the issue is browser selection and display setting for pixel width. At anything less than 1600 wide some browsers will have display issues. However, I can't imagine mine is the only WP page with such issues. I am not really sure what I am suppose to do. I could rearrange so that the images are at the top in all browsers and the table is below or maybe there is another solution.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
    • WP:LAYIM amazingly requires that pages should display nicely all the way down to a 800×600 window. While that does seem somewhat antiquated, it might be worth trying out putting the images in a horizontal gallery either under or above the table? Harrias ^talk 06:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
• The Statistics table would benefit from being sortable, and a key is definitely required for the headings.

Detailed review to follow Harrias ^talk 10:17, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Lead

• "..the B1G media." What's the B1G media? Is it connected with the tournament, or local to the area, or something else entirely?
  • B1G is the official nickname of the Big Ten Conference. I have reverted to the formal name.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
• "..The 2013–14 team was Big Ten champions," I know there is a BR/AM Eng variation regarding plurality of sports team, but this sentence looks internal confusing to me: "was" implies singular, while "champions" implies plural. Is this really proper AM Eng?
  • You ar correct.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
• "coming off of four" is tautologous; cut it down to "coming off four".
  • Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
• Wikilink "Guard", and "All-American" and other jargon on first use.
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
• "LeVert would, however, suffer a season-ending foot injury in January.[6] At the end of that month, Derrick Walton would be sidelined for the season." In both cases, "would" should be replaced with appropriate an past tense structure, for example "LeVert, however, suffered.." and "Derrick Walton was sidelined..".
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:38, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
• Add a note to explain the "6–3" notation.
  • O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:42, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to take this bit by bit, so more to follow. Feel free to start making changes as we go, or leave it all to the end. Harrias ^talk 18:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

• I apologize, I am just noticing your comments. I will get to these over the next few days.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Departures

• What does "..after using all of his eligibility." Mean? Is there an article we can wikilink to for an explanation?
  • Linked--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:47, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
• I don't think this section needs to go into such detail; the specifics of the dates are a little superfluous, but its fine for GA as it is.
  • I'll leave it as is.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:47, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

2014–15 team recruits, Future recruits

• Similar to departures, I don't think quite so much detail. In all honesty, all these three sections would probably benefit from being merged into one, but it meets the GA criteria nonetheless.
  • I have merged the sections into one section as subsections.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Post-tournament predictions

• "While speculation about Stauskas', Robinson's and McGary's returns remained speculation.." Try to avoid the repetition of speculation within the sentence.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Offseason

• Per MOS:DASH, the endash in "August 15 – 24" should be unspaced, ie. "August 15–24".
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
• "2013-14" should have an endash, rather than hyphen.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Preseason

• "Caris Levert was a preseason.." should be LeVert.
  • Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Roster

• This section is hard to follow for a layperson, given all the "redshirt" jargon. If possible, try and write this so an idiot (me) could understand it. A specific problem is the term "to burn his redshirt" which I assume means he had to play, thus losing redshirt status, but even if so, it doesn't seem encyclopaedic language.
  • I have made the change regarding burning and have linked redshirt on its first use.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:42, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
• The last sentence says that DJ Wilson was redshirted, but he doesn't have the "Current redshirt" symbol in the table, only Duncan Robinson does. Is that a mistake, or am I misinterpreting the table?
  • Yes DJ RSed in 14-15. Table fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:32, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Schedule

• I haven't read beyond the first paragraph yet, but is written in the future tense, but I assume it is referring to events which have happened, therefore it needs the tense changing.
  • I think the beginning of this section is where most of the tense issues were because that section was initially written before games were played. Other elements of this section were written after the event that was described and thus has been in past tense all along.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:54, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

That's where I'll leave it for the moment, more to come. Harrias ^talk 14:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

• "..had had 3 20-point scorers.." For ease of reading, this might be better written "..had had three 20-point scorers..".
  • Fixed. Finally, had time to confirm this advice at WP:NUMERAL.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:28, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
• "..was highlighted by Max Max Bielfeldt's career-high.." Obvious typo.
  • thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
• "The next day, Michigan lost to (#12 AP Poll/#11 Coaches Poll)[80] Villanova in the championship game." This might be a bit tidier as "The next day, Michigan lost to Villanova, who were ranked 12th in the AP Poll and 11th in the Coaches Poll, in the championship game."
  • That format was used so that in later matchups in the article we could use shorthand without naming the polls.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
• I've never come across the phrase "..to key the victory." It doesn't sound like it is encyclopaedic language, but it might just be an ENGVAR thing.
  • I made a slight change.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
• "Michigan lost to (RV/#25) Ohio State.." Is that slash meant to be in there? Also, what is RV?
  • These parentheticals are all poll rankings. I have spelled out the RV abbreviation.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:54, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
• "..defeating (#24/#23) Ohio State.." I assume these are still poll rankings, but no indication is given as to which? Similarly with Maryland shortly after.
  • Yes. I think this notation has been accepted in the past.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:54, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
• "..Northwetern's Senior night.." Obvious typo.
  • Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
• "..second double double of the season.." The first time you hyphenated it as "double-double". Be consistent.
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:59, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
• In the table, does the Rank column refer to Michigan's rank at that point, or their opponents. Why does it stop after the loss to NJIT?
  • It is Michigan's rank. After losing to NJIT, they were unranked the rest of the season. See the table regarding their rank, which has its own section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
• All the hyphens should be endashes in the High points, High rebounds and High assists columns.
  • That is the code in the template. I do not do those hyphens manually.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:13, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Even easier then; I corrected the template. Harrias ^talk 07:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Statistics

• The table needs a key, I don't have a clue what half of the headings mean.
  • Table converted.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:43, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

That completes my first run through. In general this is a decent article. The schedule section gets a little repetitive, but as it is describing a string of matches, that is unsurprising. I wasn't keen on the "the match featured so-and-so, the son/brother/nephew of former Michigan player so-and-so" which just seemed like superfluous trivia to me, but I'm not that bothered. A few jargon terms could do with wikilinking; I'd advise going through and making sure everything is linked on first mention. I'll put the article on hold for the moment. Harrias ^talk 13:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

• Harrias, are there outstanding issues?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:31, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

• Sorry, forgot about this with some other things lately. Will look over it at the weekend. Harrias ^talk 08:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks for your work on this. Sorry for the delay getting back to it. I've made a few changes, and I'm happy that it meets the GA criteria now, though I think the prose in particular would need work before it could go any further. Harrias ^talk 10:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)