Talk:2012 Waller killings

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Article title

@Elizzaflanagan221: To me, the title of this article is unnatural and appears to be an inappropriate synthesis of sources. None appear to use the term familicide and its use in the title of this article seems to be both unnatural and is not consistent with other article titles. So I wonder where you derived the title from, or did you just make it up?

The criteria for naming articles includes that they be natural, as well as consistent with other articles. Where a topic does not have a commonly recognizable name, Wikipedia has developed conventions for naming articles about murders, as well as events, in a consistent manner. With this article, you appear to have taken the latter approach and used a title in the form of "when", "where" and "what". While this approach is appropriate for a mass shooting of unrelated people, usually the term "shootings" or "killings" would be used, not a homicide classification term, as that is more natural English. However, when it comes to inter-familial killings, the article title will often include the family name, such as the Bluestone family murders, or Murder of the Lawson family, while if a location is used, as in the [[Geneva County shootings], the familial relationships between the offender and the victims is not indicated in the title. In the case of this article, and these pre-existing conventions, the term "familicide" implies to me that this article is about the "Waller" family, not an event in Waller County. Furthermore, the inclusion of a year implies that a similar event has happened in another year, too. All up the current title is misleading to the reader and leads to confusion. I would suggest changing the title to the "Sesler family murders", which follows an existing naming pattern for multiple murders within a close family group. While a title like 2012 Waller County murders", or something similar, would follow the event based approach, it does not have a connotation that the only victims were the rest of the offender's family, which is what I think you are trying to convey with the term "familicide". Cameron Dewe (talk) 15:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, yeah that makes more sense. I just made the title when i was really tired and forgot to change it. I'll change it to "Sesler family murders" Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank-you - Cameron Dewe (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Motive

I think we should fix the motive or at least give more detail. First of all, “plans to commit a school shooting” is not a motive for a familicide, and there’s also no detail on the motive for the planned school shooting. Any ideas? Genberg47 (talk) 22:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

theres not much info but likely fame or suicidal ideation. I would have to look further. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 09:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability

While this is an interesting case, and a tragic one at that, i’m kind of lost on the notability aspect of this article. Although the article lists several sources, most of them are exclusive to regional based news agencies, both the television and newspaper sources. Newspapers like Houston Chronicle, San Antonio Express News and Beaumont Enterprise mostly cover stories within Texas and not so much elsewhere. There also seems to be sources that have a blog aspect to them such as Medium as well as self published sources from relatively small websites. There’s a lack of national agencies on here, such as New York Times, Associated Press and NPR. Broadcast news agencies like ABC or CNN also don’t appear to be on here. With all that being said I’m very conflicted on if this case is worthy of an article since most of its coverage was reported on the regional level, is it because the subject wanted to carry out an even bigger crime at his old high school? or the fact that he was a YouTuber? This case does have a bit of a cult following on YouTube, but I don’t think that should be the determining factor for an article. YatesTucker00090 (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]