Talk:2011–12 Melbourne Heart FC season

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In the 2011-12 season, this club was Melbourne Heart. Why change the category to City? It's simply wrong. HiLo48 (talk) 10:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's the exact same club, with a different name. The main category is about to be moved to Category:Melbourne City FC, surely you don't believe that we have to have two sets of categories for everything now, like some mirror universe? If this were a situation like the Wimbledon F.C. scenario, where the renamed club (i.e. MK Dons) were forced by act of law to cease claiming to be the continuation of the old club then I'd say yes, but City are the exact same team with a very small name modification. This precedent has been long-established. Do you intend on going to this article, or this article, or this, or if you want a more recent precedent from a league which operates much more like the A-League, then 2010 Kansas City Wizards season, and split them off into new categories also? If not, then why are you treating Melbourne City like a special case, as if it's a brand new team? Falastur2 ^Talk 10:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no interest in what has been done in other articles about foreign clubs and leagues. And it's irrelevant. Have a read of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I am interested in common sense. The club was called Melbourne Heart in 2011-12. We should not pretend otherwise. Changing history is for totalitarian states. HiLo48 (talk) 11:02, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was never preparing to change the name of the article, or the references to Heart in it. But the fact remains that the 2011–12 Melbourne Heart season now forms part of the history of Melbourne City. I take it you now intend to go back and revert all the changes made (by sysops, no less) to Category:Melbourne City FC, since those surely also relate to Heart, not City? The stupidest thing is, this is all arguing over the name of a category. Something 99% of people will never even see. Categories only exist to make navigation quicker, not to define the identity of a club. By enforcing a split between the two categories, you're actually sabotaging the single purpose for the existence of both of these categories. Falastur2 ^Talk 11:11, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stop making ridiculous speculations as to what I might do. When I write here I write precisely what I mean. Common sense says that in 2012-13 this club was not Melbourne City. Bureaucratic Wikipedia nonsense must never override that. There has been far too much excited editing today by obsessed fans changing everything they could about the club to say "...City". This is just one more example. Stop rewriting history. HiLo48 (talk) 11:42, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is the problem. I persoanally consider it "Bureaucratic Wikipedia nonsense" that two categories which blatantly refer to the same club must be kept apart. So who's version of "Bureaucratic Wikipedia nonsense" is the correct one? Can we not compromise, in the same way that articles such as Melbourne City FC and List of Melbourne City FC records and statistics have, and have the two merged but with a caveat text on it saying "in 2014, Melbourne Heart FC was renamed to Melbourne City FC. These articles refer to the same club, but under different names"? As I've already said, the actual text of the Heart season articles will not be changed, so anyone reading those articles is going to be under no false illusions regarding what the name of the club was at the time. Falastur2 ^Talk 13:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]