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2010 IndyCar Series schedule (short form)

For reference purposes on the Talk page. Doctorindy (talk) 19:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weekend	Race
March 13-14	Brazil
March 20-21
March 28	St. Pete
April 3-4	(Open date for Easter weekend)
April 11	Barber
April 18	Long Beach
April 25
May 3-4	Kansas
May 8-9
May 15-16	Indy 500 Rookie Orientation/Practice
May 22-23	Indy 500 Time Trials
May 30	Indianapolis 500
June 5	Texas
June 13	~~Open date for Milwaukee???~~
June 20	Iowa
June 26
July 4	Watkins Glen
July 11
July 18	Toronto
July 25	Edmonton
July 31	(Open date for Brickyard 400 weekend)
August 8	Mid-Ohio
August 14-15
August 22	Sonoma
August 28	Chicagoland
September 4	Kentucky
September 11-12
September 18	Motegi
September 25-26
October 2	Homestead

Revised through Friday morning...the order of the events are correct. Dates are not yet final. Doctorindy (talk) 17:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Revised through 8/26/09...includes tweaked dates announced today Doctorindy (talk) 16:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Table

Now with only a couple of races to go till the end of the 2009 season and more driver conformations approuching do you guys think its time to create the line up table?MotorSportMCMXC (talk) 01:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I would say yes, but as far as I'm aware there's only about 3 or 4 drivers actually confirmed. I know a number of drivers are "in the middle" of long term contracts, but I personally wouldn't want to add them until the team/driver 100% confirms they are driving for them again next year.

Perhaps we could start one here on the talk page, which would make it easier to update as drivers are confirmed/announced, then put it in the article when we have a decent number in it? Oli.meggitt (talk) 12:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan. Please edit responsibly: 172.164.145.246 (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Team and Driver Chart

All teams compete in Dallara chassis, powered by Honda engines, and utilize Firestone tires.
Teams listed in order of highest 2009 entrant points position finish, followed by new teams or teams that did not participate in 2009.

Team	No	Drivers	Sponsor(s)	Notes
Target Chip Ganassi Racing	9	Scott Dixon	Target	Ganassi is working to sign 2009 champion Dario Franchitti to a new contract. EJ Viso possible in 3rd car.
Target Chip Ganassi Racing	10	TBA	Target
Penske Racing	3	Hélio Castroneves	TBA	Sponsorships and livery for #3 and #6 cars to be determined, as Phillip Morris has scaled back its participation in the series.
	6	Ryan Briscoe	TBA
	12	Will Power	Verizon Wireless	Full time for 2010. This is the first instance of Penske fielding 3 full-time entries since the 1994 CART season.
Andretti Autosport	7	Danica Patrick	Go Daddy
	11	Tony Kanaan	7-Eleven
	26	Marco Andretti	Venom Energy
	37	Ryan Hunter-Reay	IZOD	Currently confirmed for Indy 500. Other events have yet to be announced.
Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing	02	TBA	TBA	Graham Rahal is a free agent as of 2010 and it is not confirmed yet if he will return to the #02.
Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing	06	TBA	TBA	Alex Lloyd and Hideki Mutoh have been rumored for second and third N/H/L entries
Dale Coyne Racing	18	TBA	Z-Line Designs	Justin Wilson all but confirmed
Dale Coyne Racing	19	TBA	Boy Scouts of America	Driver announcement at the end of Jan. per Coyne teleconference
Panther Racing	4	Dan Wheldon	National Guard
KV Racing Technology	5	TBA	TBA	Mario Moraes expected to return
Vision Racing	20	TBA	TBA	Ed Carpenter expected to return with Menards sponsorship
Luczo-Dragon Racing	2	Raphael Matos	US Marines/US Air Force	2009 Rookie of the Year
A. J. Foyt Enterprises	14	Vitor Meira	ABC Supply	Meira returns to the #14 after sitting out most of 2009 due to injuries.
Dreyer & Reinbold Racing	?	TBA	TBA	Milka Duno expected to return
HVM Racing	13	TBA	TBA	E. J. Viso's contract has expired and the team is exploring its' options for their second car in 2010. Simona de Silvestro to test with team at Sebring
HVM Racing	33	Robert Doornbos	TBA
Team 3G	98	Richard Antinucci	TBA	2nd car possible, depending on available sponsorship.
Conquest Racing	?	TBA	TBA	Team plans on 1 full-time car & 1 part-time car if sponsorship can be found
De Ferran Motorsports	?	TBA	TBA	Gil de Ferran's ALMS team plans to expand into IndyCar in 2010 if sponsorship can be found. Driver(s) to be determined.
FAZZT Race Team	77	Alex Tagliani	TBA	Formerly the Rubicon Race Team.
Part time entries
Sarah Fisher Racing	66	Jay Howard	Tire Kingdom	Indy 500, Texas, Mid-Ohio, and Chicagoland only.
Sarah Fisher Racing	67	Sarah Fisher	Dollar General	St. Petersburg, Alabama, Kansas, Indy 500, Texas, Iowa, Chicagoland, Kentucky, and Homestead only.

Remove the ?'s, they're not encyclopedic. If it's questionable, it's TBA. Philippe is not confirmed. -Drdisque (talk) 21:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re-sorted slightly, now based on last years' entrant points which seems to make more sense (drivers, as of late, come and go more often). 172.162.100.185 (talk) 07:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I really like sorting it by last years' entrant points, but it may be until March when those TBAs finally fill in (if at all, i.e. Conquest). It'd be great if we could keep this one updated, have a presumptive list on the main page in a month or two, and then swap this one out for the one in the article once we have the full drivers list. Froo (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We normally go live with this list around January. It can be confusing posting it too early and is too blank to be of any use. -Drdisque (talk) 02:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cut the contract details, no idea why I inserted those to begin with... could someone clarify here what the criteria is for being able to compete for rookie of the year? (not Indy that is) 172.163.242.73 (talk) 02:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that the latest video from the ICS on their YouTube channel confirms Rahal at NHL next year. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 17:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brazil race to A1GP?

Whoever put that in - A1 is extremely likely to NOT be taking the IndyCar race, as previously leaked schedules stated the A1 race is taking place at Interlagos. Plus, it is a bit of OR, seeing as how the article never mentions anything to relate the A1 and IndyCar races. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 12:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And given the "Health" of A1GP I think we can write that off in general now Duds 2k (talk) 15:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IndyCar "Series"?

Now that the IndyCar world has been under one roof for a while, do we really need to continue titling each IRL season page as "200X IndyCar Series season"? I propose that each IRL season from 2008 forward be re-named to a more simple, more united, and more credible (some former Champ Car fans cringe at the name "IndyCar Series") "200X IndyCar season". Even the CCWS seasons were re-named "200X Champ Car season". 97.125.93.108 (talk) 05:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as the official name of the division is "(sponsor name) IndyCar Series" (sponsor being IZOD for now), there is no need nor reason to change. ~~Eagles~~Phillies Fan In Tampa 20:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

500 Time Trials to count as half-race in points

Sounds like they'll need to be tracked as a "race" in our charts [[1]]. Froo (talk) 17:05, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On the topic of the Indy quali listed in the standings table, maybe it would be best to not have the colour backgrounds on them, in case people get confused thinking Helio won the 500 (unless he does actually win it tomorrow :P) because they saw the 1 in the slot just after Kansas? TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NHLR -> NHR

Seeing as it affects this season, I'd like to point to a current debate with regards to Newman/Haas Racing. Several places on the Internet show that Lanigan has left the team, and the team has reverted to Newman/Haas on Twitter, Facebook, their own website, and on the Indycar site.

The discussion is happening here. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 15:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Franchitti's flag

I noticed on Pole Day that the Versus broadcasts use the flag of Scotland when highlighting Dario. So should we just make case exception and change his flag on the chart to ? I imagine this would be easier to settle if we knew what flag was on his car next to the cockpit... 172.129.136.51 (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, it would be an odd exception, especially when versus, uses

rather than

for Dan Wheldon and Justin Wilson. -Drdisque (talk) 04:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish drivers, for example former Indy winner Jim Clark, have always been indicated as British in Wikipedia Indycar articles. --Falcadore (talk) 04:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indy qualifying in the standings chart

Drivers got points depending on the Indy 500 qualifying position. But I think that it's not reasonable to include that in the standings table. Drivers get points for that in many other series, but we don't include the full list. What do the rest of you think? --NaBUru38 (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since the points being awarded is not the same as the standard 1 for pole, rather the sliding scale, they probably should be listed in the chart, as all other forms of bonus points (normal poles and most laps led) are there. However, I still think that they should be formatted differently and I think using the background colours can confuse people into thinking that Helio's won two races so far this season :P TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Use Pole instead of 1st. Leave all qualifiers that do not receive bonus qualifying points un-coloured. --Falcadore (talk) 22:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's another problem, ALL qualifiers scored points, ranging from 15 for pole down to three points for people from 25th to 33rd. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, the suggest to use POLE still stands. --Falcadore (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've had an idea on someway to try and make it a little clearer that the two columns for Indy signify the one race, and I have a mockup here:

Pos	Driver	SAO	STP	ALA	LBH	KAN	INDY		TXS	IOW	WGL	TOR	EDM	MDO	SNM	CHI	KTY	MOT	HMS	Pts
Pos	Driver	SAO	STP	ALA	LBH	KAN	QL	500	TXS	IOW	WGL	TOR	EDM	MDO	SNM	CHI	KTY	MOT	HMS	Pts
1	Dario Franchitti	7*	5	3	12	2	3	1*	5											246
2	Will Power	1	1*	4	3	12	2	8	14											243
3	Scott Dixon	6	18	2	4	1*	6	5	4											235
4	Hélio Castroneves	9	4	1	7	4	1	9	20											211
5	Ryan Briscoe	14	3	6	8	6	4	24	1*											208
6	Ryan Hunter-Reay	2	11	12	1*	5	17	18	7											201
7	Justin Wilson	11	2	7	2	18	11	7	19											179
8	Tony Kanaan	10	10	8	5	3	32	11	6											179
9	Marco Andretti	23	12	5*	14	13	16	3	3											169
10	Dan Wheldon	5	20	11	9	15	18	2	9											164
11	Danica Patrick	15	7	19	16	11	23	6	2											158
12	Alex Tagliani	19	6	10	21	8	5	10	18											138
13	Vitor Meira	3	15	18	11	10	30	27	10											134
14	Raphael Matos	4	8	14	20	16	12	29	16											126
15	Mario Moraes	24	21	13	6	7	13	31	21											121
16	Alex Lloyd	18	23	23	19	19	26	4	8											119
17	Mike Conway	8	19	9	10	14	15	19												110
18	Hideki Mutoh	20	14	15	13	23	9	28	12											106
19	E. J. Viso	12	17	16	15	27	19	25	11											103
20	Mario Romancini	17	13	22	23	22	27	13	17											99
21	Simona de Silvestro	16	16	21	17	21	22	14	24											97
22	Takuma Sato	22	22	25	18	24	31	20	25											83
23	Graham Rahal		9	17	22		7	12												73
24	Milka Duno	21	24	24	25	26	DNQ		23											68
25	Bertrand Baguette			20	24	20	24	22	22											64
26	Sarah Fisher					17	29	26	15											41
27	Tomas Scheckter						20	15	13											36
28	John Andretti					9	28	30												35
29	Ana Beatriz	13					21	21												33
30	Ed Carpenter						8	17												20
31	Jay Howard					25	DNQ		26											20
32	Townsend Bell						10	16												18
33	Sebastian Saavedra						33	23												15
34	Davey Hamilton						14	33												14
35	Bruno Junqueira						25	32												13
	A. J. Foyt IV						DNQ													0
	Jaques Lazier						DNQ													0
	Paul Tracy						DNQ													0
Pos	Driver	SAO	STP	ALA	LBH	KAN	QL	500	TXS	IOW	WGL	TOR	EDM	MDO	SNM	CHI	KTY	MOT	HMS	Pts
Pos	Driver	SAO	STP	ALA	LBH	KAN	INDY		TXS	IOW	WGL	TOR	EDM	MDO	SNM	CHI	KTY	MOT	HMS	Pts

Do you think this would work? TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 15:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not bad at all. --Falcadore (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that looks pretty good. Cs-wolves (talk) 19:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Franchitti in Iowa

Please look here. Franchitti has a total time of 1:38:56,3371 . The winner time is 1:42:12,4036. The winner is the driver who finished first, so nobody, who finished the race, could have a total time below 1:42:12,4036. --Gamma127 (talk) 06:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I refer you to the discussion myself and User:Cs-wolves already had on this matter here. It doesn't matter what the total time taken was, the IndyCar results page and the final official box score both clearly state that he was listed as Running rather than having retired for Handling or Gearbox or whatever. We don't know why, we don't understand the workings behind what makes IndyCar class a driver as having finished or not, but the facts are there, they say running, therefore we also say running.

Plus, interpreting for yourself that he officially retired based on the total time is borderline OR. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 18:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Using the brain is forbidden??? So obviously we discovered a Paradox. Franchitti has finished the race first, but has not won it. That's really strange.--Gamma127 (talk) 20:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you were to take that attitude, then by your reasoning Justin Wilson should have won because he had the absolute lowest total time out of everyone...

No, using your head isn't forbidden, but drawing other conclusions when the facts are right there looking at you is. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 20:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your right, Wilson has the lowest total time. But there are two points you could not deny: 1) The winner is the driver who finished first and the first driver whom is shown the checkered flag. 2) Every driver who see the checkered flag have to have a total lap time greather or equal than the winning time. I think that this two points are no OR. --Gamma127 (talk) 20:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dario Franchitti was running at the finish because the league classified him as running at the finish. -Drdisque (talk) 21:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But he did not see the checkered flag. --Gamma127 (talk) 05:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It depends which way he was looking, if he was sitting on pit road, chances are he did. We have to go with what the league says here. For example, would you recommend changing the results at 2010 FIFA World Cup because the ref made a bad call in a match? -Drdisque (talk) 05:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You could not compare this two things. Your example does not match this situation. He did not see the checkered flag, that is a fact you cannot deny. --Gamma127 (talk) 12:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We're not denying that he didn't see the flag on the track. But even then, the league have posted their results listing him as running, and as such the wiki page has an onus to report it that way. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 17:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The driver with the "LOWEST TIME" has nothing to do with winning the race unless he is on the lead lap. The same box score linked states Dario completed only 212 laps. The "WINNER" is the driver who competes the scheduled distance (250 laps) in the shortest time (i.e., first). Beyond that, a driver is usually only officially scored "OUT" if the car is wheeled out of the pits and into the garage area, or the crew otherwise informs the officials they are dropping out. There is a timing antenna at the entrance of the garage area, and the car's transponder will score the car "off the track" if the crew wheels is over the line and into the garage area. That way the computer knows the car is out of the race. If Dario's car was sitting in the pit box for the balance of the race, and it was never officially "retired" by the crew, he is still considered "running" at the finish, and he is credited with the laps he completed, and his time stops with the most recent lap completed. Doctorindy (talk) 19:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article size?

Anyone else think the article is getting a little big...? Team and driver chart seems a little oversized (but probably can't be helped given the sheer number of drivers), while the driver news section is just a huge massive wall of text. Also, maybe the race summaries are a little redundant, given that the vast majority of them already have a main article for themselves? TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the Driver news section can be trimmed down, since some of it is old news. There are some in there that are written in the future tense, when it's 5 months behind us now. However, per guidelines at WP: Article size, tables, lists, and citations (which are what makes the article "long") are excluded from consideration.Doctorindy (talk) 16:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AJ Foyt and Mario Andretti trophy points in driver standings?

The title says it all: don't you think we should add those points next (links) to the total? The IndyCar official website shows them with the same font and style. --NaBUru38 (talk) 14:41, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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