Talk:2010–2013 Southern United States and Mexico drought

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Climate Change

Before claiming climate change is partly responsible for the drought, please cite a RS. Fasttimes68 (talk) 19:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Climate change resulting from global warming? See Effects of global warming, Physical impacts of climate change, ... Please don't anthropomorphize weather/climate, even though global warming has anthropogenic causes, with terms such as as "responsible" or "blame" ... it sounds like climate change denial, or at least promoting Climate change controversy. 97.87.29.188 (talk) 18:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter what caused the drought, or if any claims are true or not. The article must have a RS to back up any claimFasttimes68 (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What prompted this posting Special:Contributions/Fasttimes68? 99.181.132.163 (talk) 04:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Contributions/Fasttimes68 are you "responding" to Special:Contributions/207.109.125.194 of South Dakota? 97.87.29.188 (talk) 19:25, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why was this removed?

n:At least four dead and hundreds of homes destroyed after week of wildfires rage throughout Texas 99.35.13.81 (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because that article says nothing about the drought. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:03, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But this article says something about wildfires and drought. (Heated and dried material produces more fuel for fires.) 99.35.13.81 (talk) 02:18, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So it does. It's still WP:SYNTHESIS to combine them to assert that anything about the fires is about the drought. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not only about drought, per its content. 99.181.150.29 (talk) 02:55, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article is supposed to be only about the drought. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is no official definition on this article, so no 'supposed to assume. 99.19.47.31 (talk) 23:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article was about the drought, not the wildfires, until you came in to ~~vandalise~~ edit it. Unless you can get a consensus that it should also be about the wildfires (including those in states not mentioned as having a drought), keep edits about those fires to those articles. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fires

I've tagged the statement about the fires as needing a citation. I misread it earlier; all of those fires are in states hit by the drought, but we would probably need a source for each fire as to the relationship. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What? 99.119.128.169 (talk) 01:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:02, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Southern US drought → 2011 Southern US drought and wildfires — Appropriate per content. 99.181.132.43 (talk) 00:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Appropriate only per your attempts to add the content. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Why was this Wikinews removed Texas wildfires push public resources to the limit?

Why was this removed n:Texas wildfires push public resources to the limit? 97.87.29.188 (talk) 17:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because it doesn't mention the drought. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

comment, question

In Portal:Current events's Ongoing events, 2011 Southern US drought redirects here. Change it there? 99.19.45.81 (talk) 11:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

article title

2010–2012 Southern United States drought → 2010–present Southern United States drought Since not over, replace presumptuous 2012 ending with just present (until ends) 99.119.130.13 (talk) 05:30, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think since the scope of the drought has moved beyond the southern US the title should be changed to 2010-2012 United States Drought or perhaps 2010-2012 United States Droughts since new droughts have developed independently of one another but seem to be feeding off each other so to speak. Stormchaser89 (talk) 01:36am (US Central), 8 July 2012

How about 2010–present United States drought? 99.181.143.128 (talk) 03:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The drought that has developed across much of the US now is really an independent event largely caused by the lack of winter snowfall. As such, the new page I have created is the 2012 North American drought. --Bowser the Storm Tracker ^{Chat Me Up} 15:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move Request

Can we rename this page "2010-2013 Southern United States drought"? After all, it's 2013 already. (I am new, and I just want a consensus before I do something.) XndrK (talk) 18:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See 2012–13 North American drought. 99.112.212.232 (talk) 00:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) The Duke of Nonsense^{What is necessary for thee?} 12:38, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2010–13 Southern United States and Mexico drought → 2010–15 Southern United States and Mexico drought – This event extending into 2015, see article content. It was changed to remove two years. I don't know why X1\ (talk) 00:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 00:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. The Duke of Nonsense^{What is necessary for thee?}. 15:36, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - per Wikipedia's guidelines (like on MOS:DATERANGE), the title (no matter what happens with the move) should be "2010–2013" or "2010–2015", with the full year written out. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Duke of Nonsense^{What is necessary for thee?}. 15:43, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The article does not have any mention of anything happening in 2015 and one sentence for 2014 Drought continued on the Great Plains until 2014. While I'm not saying that the article can't extend to 2015, I'm saying that currently the article doesn't even talk about events happening after 2013 (except that one mention). --Gonnym (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED the moving rationale seems to be some form of OR/SYNTH (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2010–2013 Southern United States and Mexico drought → 2010–2017 Southern United States and Mexico drought – Since 2010–13 Southern United States and Mexico drought includes U.S. "North America" and 2011–2017 California drought is in "North America", in the South U.S. in particular, wouldn't this be 2010–2017? X1\ (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 12:28, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Southern United States" does not usually include California. In addition, the geographic extents of the two droughts do not overlap. These would appear to be two separate events covered in two separate articles. I am not sure it is necessary to discuss this again so soon, either. Dekimasuよ! 23:54, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Dekimasu. Seems that while the southern part of California was involved, the worst drought was in the middle and northern parts of the state. Would have to agree that the California article is separate and distinct, and that the California drought through 2017 should not be thought of as a part of this southern U.S. and Mexico drought of 2010–2013. Paine Ellsworth ^put'r there 01:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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merge

should this not be merged with 2012–13 North American drought, which covers the same time period and area? -- phoebe / (talk to me) 17:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]