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Is it proper to have changed the name of this incident to "Kokang rebellion"? In everything I have read so far, there is not really any mention of what the rebel armies' motivations might be, and calling it a "rebellion" makes it appear that there is some political motivation (such as independence) rather than just an explosion of tensions at the right moment. (Also, I should note that I took the name "Kokang incident" precisely from the name used in the pre-existing zh-wiki article, zh:果敢八八事件, lit. "Kokang 8 August incident"; so far no English-language sources I've seen have given this a name.) Likewise, I think "vying for control of the region", added in this edit, is too much—in the lede, we don't need to put words in anyone's mouth to say why we think they are fighting, we can just report that the fighting has happened. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know what you mean, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to classify the conflict as a sub-regional combat--that is, a rebellion which is not expected to escalate into civil war anytime soon. As for motivations, there's an article in the Bangkok Post (not yet available online) which suggests the group has already set up some form of officer corps. Ottre 05:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this is not a rebellion, this is a crackdown "The violence erupted after government troops moved into the enclave, seeking to dislodge local rulers and their militia who have long controlled this mountainous terrain next to China."[1] I'm putting a POV tag--TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of different explanations for how the violence happened. What is in the article now is my best attempt so far to construct a logical narrative of events, based on all the sources I have read. As far as I can tell, the government troops moved in without violence breaking out (they were apparently aided by a "mutiny" within the ranks of the Kokang army), and after that Kokang forces started attacking government army and police troops in the mountains around the city. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(out) Just for the record... User:Qrfqr also said he thinks 'incident' is better [2]. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Similar articles have the names fighting, clashes and conflict which are more descriptive and also neutral--TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying those names are better than "rebellion", or better than "incident"? I agree that 'rebellion' is a poor choice; I like 'incident', though. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

incident is not so good either, i think this is a follow up to the situation as it was. not the only one open to myanmar, but not the least predictable , you may want to call it an offenisve against the separatist groups and their militia, as sri lanka did for a long time, myanmar itself doubtlessly considers it that 'pacification'.24.132.171.225 (talk) 19:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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