Talk:2009 Basque regional election

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Void votes

There are several problems with the "void votes" results. First, a source needs to be provided. Second, what is the basis for assuming that all void votes were cast for D3M? Third, the calculation of a prospective number of seats for each party if the void votes were to be counted for D3M would appear to be original research in violation of Wikipedia policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.228.162 (talk) 11:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Some tweaks to the very good contribution overall by Habbit:

According to this [1] there are six parties represented in the Baleric islands regional parliament.

I seem to remember that polls consistently gave around 13 MPs for the Popular Party during the political campaign. I guess the polls quoted in the text mentioning 11 MPs refer to those made at the exit of the polling stations. This kind of polls consistently give the Basque PP less than the actual results, due to the political environment in that part of the world.

There is a fundamental problem in making projections should the void votes count as valid. Not only because of the aspects cited already, but because, if D3M or Askatasuna had run validly, as a rule of thumb, Aralar would certainly have got a lower result. In other words, different circumstances give different results. Making projections on what could have been is blatant OR. I removed that part. MOUNTOLIVE _{fedeli alla linea} 17:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry for the Balearic slip. I checked the election results but failed to notice that one of the parties that got seats was "PSOE-EXC", thus being a sub-list of the Socialist Party. A similar argument can be made with AIPF, whose only representative sits with the People's Party group in the Parliament iIrc. Thus, the Vitoria Parliament is indeed the most diverse regional parliament in Spain, with Catalonia (6) ranking second and the Balearic Islands (5 groups) third.

On the PP polling data, I did not follow the campaign thoroughly, and you are painfully right about the people in the B.C. not being quite free to say they voted the PP aloud.

Last but not least, on the void votes issue, I was just stating that most people (particularly groups close to the illegalized parties themselves like Gara) boast that "they would have got 7 seats", while the most optimistic projections of what the votes actually were do not match their claims. Of course, had they been able to run legally, Aralar and possibly also the PNV results would have been affected in an unknown way. Habbit: just shy, not antisocial - you can talk to me! 18:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With the PP and UPN divorce in Navarra, surely there must be six groupings represented there? Unión del Pueblo Navarro, PSOE, PP, IU, Nafarroa Bai and Convergencia de Demócratas de Navarra?? I would also suggest changing parties to "electoral groupings" since groups like IU, CiU and NBai consist of several different parties. Valenciano (talk) 06:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Valenciano. Mmmmhh, since the PP-UPN schism happened shortly after the most recent elections, I am not sure if there is any PP MP in the Navarrese parliament as of now. I do know that some defected at the Spanish Congress (or Senate, can't remember) but I honestly dont know whether that happened in the Navarrese parliament as well. Probably it did. If you know for a fact, definitely go ahead changing it here. As for the electoral groupings, I am ok as well! MOUNTOLIVE _{fedeli alla linea} 13:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the actual (US?) English expression for the Spanish "grupo parlamentario" would be "caucus". WRT the Navarre parliament, UPN still has 22 MPs in its group, though I don't know if that page is updated regularly. Habbit: just shy, not antisocial - you can talk to me! 14:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Habbit and Mountolive. Yes I read the Navarra parliament page myself and despite a search through the archives of the local papers, I can't find mention of any local MPs joining the PP, just local councillors, the Senator and national MP so we'll leave that. "grupo parlamentario" is a bit different from what I'm thinking of since ERC and IU are in the same parliamentary group but were elected separately. Valenciano (talk) 19:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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