Talk:2009 Baghdad police recruitment centre bombing

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Notability?

What makes this event more notable that the dozens and dozens of other un-article'd events on List of suicide bombings in Iraq since 2003? SGGH ^ping! 16:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It happened during a relavively peaceful time and killed quite a lot of people. I don't think we should argue about "there isn't article on x, so we shouldn't have an article on y". There are reliable sources of the event and I think that a civilian attack killing 28 is notable by Wikipedia's standards. Jolly Ω Janner 16:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are there notability guidelines you could link me to? I still don't understand the reasoning, given that this is a lower death toll than many un-articled attacks. I am aware of the "there isn't article on x, so we shouldn't have an article on y" arguement, but still. If I can find the guidelines then I guess it would make sense. Also, how is "a relavively peaceful time" quantified? Regards, SGGH ^ping! 17:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Notability pressumably. Reply to "relatively peaceful time", if there were many of these attacks going off each day etc e.g. a war or an uprising it would be more appropriate to write one article for all of it. Such attacks aren't very common, so this would be good enough to be split into its own article anyway. I'm not sure why there's a notability tag stating the article needs reliable sources and yet there are two reliable sources link in the references section... Jolly Ω Janner 17:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it just comes with the notability tag. I would argue that these things are happening very often, given the situation in Iraq, but am happy to defer to your judgement if you and I are going to be the only people talking about it! :) SGGH ^ping! 21:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll jump in here then: I don't see any particular notability of this event. It's just one bombing in Iraq of many, and not even an exceptionally deadly one. The title is especially confusing as well; many Baghdad police recruitment centers have been bombed. This should be at least renamed to add a 2009 in there somewhere. And even worse, I just realized, the Wikipedia article and the Wikinews articles are extremely similar. I don't see why this shouldn't be merged with List of suicide bombings in Iraq since 2003. Bsimmons666 (talk) 21:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow LOL, so many explosions here they dont even deserve a wikipedia article...Royal Mate1 23:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not loling. Jolly Ω Janner 23:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If someone is pro-Iraq war and pro-Bush policies should not talk about deleting bad news about Iraq. --AaThinker (talk) 10:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disregarding that last comment, I still disagree with the situation that this article, one of the less deadly attacks with a death toll and the lower end in comparison to some others, is deemed notable enough for a seperate article where others are not. Just my two cents. SGGH ^ping! 11:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just because other suicide attacks do not have an article does not necessarily mean that people decided that they're not notable, it may simply mean that noone got around to writing one. I believe that any suicide bombing where the casualties are at least 10 deserves an article; whether someone will write it is a different story. And yes I know that 10 is arbitrary like any other number would be, if someone can propose any better criteria of notability I'll be happy to listen. Spiros Bousbouras (talk) 12:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is it worth mentioning on mainpage.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Spiros Bousbouras pretty much summed it up. I wrote this article, because the shooting of two British soldiers was on the Main Page, but the bombing of 28 Iraqi civilians was not. It seemed a real shame and biased, so I set about writing this (all-be-it bad) article. The rest of the attacks are notable, but not a lot of people in Iraq have access to Wikipedia to write the articles. Jolly Ω Janner 17:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So I suppose every incident of the war deserves a page? There has to be a limit somewhere. And as I said before, this article is essentially a copy of the Wikinews article (or was last I checked). The British incident, I would argue, is not really that notable either. It is more notable, however, because Northern Ireland has been relatively calm in the past few years. Not so much in Iraq. Bsimmons666 (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq has been relatively quiet in the past few months or the entire of last year in my opinion. When I added this incident to the article of the list of incidents, I had to create a new section for incidents in 2009, because there haven't been any. P.S. The Wikinews article is a copy of this article; you can check that by reading the dates on the revisions. There was also another attack today killing 30. Jolly Ω Janner 22:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O.k agreed.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Bsimmons666 said:

So I suppose every incident of the war deserves a page? There has to be a limit somewhere.

Sure. What do you say the limit should be? Spiros Bousbouras (talk) 22:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not this... Bsimmons666 (talk) 23:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have to be more specific than that. Spiros Bousbouras (talk) 12:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can't put a limit on history it happens and we need to remember these events.--Sasquatch2 (talk) 14:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Insurgents

I linked "insurgents" to the article, although I wish the media in general would be more specific in this matter. The whole idea of using the word "insurgent" is as useless as saying, "some bad guys", and smacks of propaganda.173.49.91.134 (talk) 17:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers then. Jolly Ω Janner 17:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding "insurgents", if the media does not have information to be more specific then that's it. But even in this case, "unidentified individuals" would be a better term in my opinion than "insurgents". Spiros Bousbouras (talk) 12:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates

The geographical coordinates in the article is pointing to an exact center of a 4-leaf clover on the intersection of two highways. I'm not familiar with the Baghdad geography though, but I seriously doubt the attack happened at this specific place. Barvinok (talk) 21:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure where it happened either. The sources say it was at a junction on Palestine Road. I watched a video of the area on the BBC and there appeared to be a road overpass there. Jolly Ω Janner 21:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suspected

Why does the article say "suspected suicide bombing" ? Is it not certain that it was a suicide bombing ? Spiros Bousbouras (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]