Talk:2008–09 Bowling Green Falcons men's ice hockey season

This article was nominated for deletion on 30 October 2008 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Should this article even be allowed? Seems an awful lot like my attempt with the 2008–09 Kelowna Rockets season article. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 08:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's legit to keep this article. This is a Division I team's individual season. D-I is the "highest level of amateur athletics" which I believe is the key at WP:N. I put this on par with any other D-I college team's individual season. See Category:2008 NCAA Division I FBS football season and Category:2008-09 NCAA Division I men's basketball season. — X96lee15 (talk) 13:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, Division I athletics are considered the "highest level of amateur athletics". This is evident that many former players move directly from Division I hockey to the top pro leagues, the AHL and NHL.--Bhockey10 (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe we have had this level's hockey season articles deleted in the past as well. In general we have not considered Div 1 as the hichest level of amateur athletics. We have considered The Olympics or World Championships as the highest level of amateur athletics when it comes to hockey. -Djsasso (talk) 02:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those are specialized international events, and since the Olympics have professional players from the NHL I would argue it's not amateur hockey. As far as regular hockey teams and seasons Division I hockey is the highest level of amateur hockey. Past articles shouldn't have been deleted.--Bhockey10 (talk) 03:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

High league or not, the fact of the matter is that this "level" of hockey is no match to the Canadian hockey leagues (which are not allowed season articles, btw), as the NHL entry drafts suggest. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 07:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the "level" of hockey is relevant to this discussion. I'm not familiar with all the Canadian hockey leagues, but I assume the OHL is included in this group. The OHL is not an amateur league. Highest level of amateur athletics or not, I think this article is covered enough by independent, verifiable references to not worry about deleting it. — X96lee15 (talk) 13:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The OHL is an amateur league, all major ice hockey governing associations like the IIHF consider it so, the only one to remotely not consider it amateur is the NCAA which only disapproves of their use of honorariums so someone who has played in the OHL can't get a scholarship in the NCAA. It has been pretty extensively covered at afd that only the highest level of hockey period should have season pages, ie the NHL or KHL and that lower level leagues should just be covered by an overall league season article. If I could remeber where the links are a number of NCAA hockey season articles were tossed last year. Wikipedia is not a statistics database is what comes into effect on these types of articles. Alot of people don't even think any level of sport should have them. -Djsasso (talk) 20:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and in reguards to the olympics using professionals, that doesn't really enter into it because the players are not being paid to play at the olympics which means for those two weeks they are amateur players. -Djsasso (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are right about the Olympic players being amateur for the Olympics, I worded that wrong, but the use of high profile pro players creates notability. The Wikipedia is not a statistics database is so we don't have those stub articles with random numbers (I've seen that a few times in the past) But statistics can be used in articles with organized tables and info boxes. Bhockey10 (talk) 03:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article belongs with the Ice Hockey Wikia. External links leading to the Wikia articles are allowed, and should be used in this case, so all the hard work doesn't go to waste. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 06:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]