Talk:2007 Gumball 3000 collision

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Since there's so much data and coverup about the accident, I have decided to start a new page on the Gumball 3000 2007 accident which took 2 lives. Here is what I think about the accident, part of this I was able to source in the major media:

He was driving way too fast, killed the two elderly people and then bribed the family (and most likely the court) into a settlement. He tried to flee Macedonia twice after the accident, but he was caught and arrested both times when trying to cross the border. He was found guilty and convicted. He did not appeal.

The court adjudicator estimated the speed of the car to be 161km/h (100mph), and the limit on that section of the road is 60km/h (37.5mph). I have referenced a source for this. The road in that section is very flat and wide 7m (25ft), so YES, you CAN do 200km/h, EXCEPT, there is a gas station, entrance into a town, and exit to a village in those 50 metres (60 yards) where the accident happened. So yes, by all means the guy killed the poor people.

Also, there have been subsequent driving convictions against Nick Morley, and he's currently banned from driving in the UK. Crnorizec (talk) 21:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure this is required (but not sure it isn't) since it is almost word for word what is in the main gumball article. As I said on the talk page their, your apparent passion about this seems to suggest a conflict here, similarly using words like "coverup" suggests a touch of WP:SOAPBOX --82.7.39.174 (talk) 06:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep your epithets about "passion", "conflict" and others for your boyfriend and try to focus on the subject. I intend to expand the article and add information about the mishandled court case and to document the suspicions of bribery. Also, we will follow up with new traffic violations as they eventually occur.

The word "coverup" is not used in the article, however, there are several sources that use exactly that word:

* 2007 Gumball 3000 FATALITY COVER UP,

* Gumball 3000 Race Organizers Attempting To Cover Up Hit-And-Run Crnorizec (talk) 03:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll use the words passionate and conflict as appropriate and they are very appropriate here. Your further comments about "we will follow up with new traffic violations of NM as they eventually occur. " - who is this "we" you talk about? You do know this article isn't about NM so more information on what you perceive his ills are is likely to just turn this into a coatrack article what was it you said - "try to focus on the subject". If NM is notable, write an article about him, at the moment I suspect it would fail WP:BLP1E, but there you go. --82.7.39.174 (talk) 06:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath section

Do we really need the part about how he has been in trouble with the law for more driving offenses? It has no reason to be included as the article is not on Nicholas and just seems like an attempt to cast a negative light on him. I'll remove the entire part unrelated to the crash, but if i'm wrong here feel free to re-add and explain why. Thanks, Matty (talk) 00:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by user 'Gumball 3000'

Noted that a user named 'Gumball 3000' has recently removed content from this page. Specifically relating to allegations that those involved fled the scene of the accident in another Gumballer's car. There are many articles that refer to the fact that the divers were arrested at the border and the only defence against these allegations is a suggestion that the driver remained at the scene until the ambulance crew arrived. The diver had been involved in a serious accident, his car was in tatters. Whether leaving the scene was an offence or not, it is a significant reflection on the nature of the accident that the driver chose to leave in the car of another participant and head for the border. Was he aiming to continue the race? Was he hoping to leave the jurisdiction of the incident? Either way, it is an integral part in documenting the chain of events and ought not be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upfall (talk • contribs) 23:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]