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What was it about?

It is very hard to follow what the writers were actually upset about in this article. It is not that clear. Most of the article is just background information. We need a quick summary at the top describing the key things that they were complaining about.--Matt (talk) 05:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The entire article is riddled with POV. As I tried to point out at the time of the strike there IS NO WGA! There is one WGAW and one WGAE; and two guilds mean that there wasn't a "Writers Guild of America Strike" ... there was a "Writers Guilds of America Strike". Stating that the "WGA said this" and the "WGA said that" is misleading - statements were made either by the WGAE or the WGAW - or by "strike leaders" - team leaders speaking for both the guilds. You'll notice that the same mistake isn't made the other way around because the AMPTP was never a misrepresented entity. Misrepresenting would be if there were two studios with similar names being grouped into "one" studio. The article is a mess, I agree, and really needs to be rewritten from scratch. 61.69.0.225 (talk) 11:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

difficutl to tell

ya i agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.232.13 (talk) 07:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What was the outcome?

Its not clear what the strike accomplished. Did they get what they were looking for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.33.86 (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits slowed to a trickle after the strike concluded. The short answer is that they won some issues, lost others, and came to middle ground on some. There isn't really a summary in the article; one has to go to articles linked near the end for a proper summary of the outcome. It would benefit the article for someone to write a summary of the outcome, issue by issue.

On a somewhat related matter, the article has a whole lot of statements that refer to the strike as if it were an in-progress event, rather than a thing of the past. It could use a top-to-bottom copy-edit for present tense statements that should now be past tense. —Steve Schonberger (talk) 10:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Yes it could! ;-) --Father Goose (talk) 19:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I know. It's a big job though. —Steve Schonberger (talk) 23:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The conclusion was that a few of dorks with an over inflated view of self-worth wasted a mountain of money, so they could go back to eating donuts and having water balloon fights, in-between writing amateurish, juvenile material. Think of all the starving children who coud have benefitted from that 1.5 billion dollars. My mother used to remind me of the children I was killing in Africa by not eating all of my broccoli. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 05:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyways. The issues are still here in 2012, and the outcome link appears to be removed.

68.88.4.110 (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As of March (almost April) 2013, some FIVE YEARS LATER, this key article still has big chunks that are in present tense or even a (what would then be, but no longer is the) future tense. You will say "be bold," I know, but this level of editing is more than I can undertake, particularly on a subject about which I know so little and given that editing it isn't simply a question of changing to past tense, but of following up on then-future-tense statements to see whether they did occur or not. People saying they were going to do X or Y, predictions that on-demand and new media likely would overtake DVD, that kind of thing. What are we going to do? Lawikitejana (talk) 04:06, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to have a huge article about the strike with no indication of whether the writers actually got anything. Anyway, I just added a quick section on what the outcome was based on a NY Times article that I found. Sbwoodside (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Where is ist?Manorainjan (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of the list of actors picketing

The general consensus on wikipedia is that a list for the sake of a list is not really significant enough to be counted as legitimate subject matter for a page, so therefore I move that the rather lengthy list be removed or truncated to a few of the more significant actors.--*M ♦ ANDERSON ♦ 198 02:46, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A "list of people who sided with one side of the dispute" has neutrality issues, and especially with the strike being over, tells you almost nothing about the strike anyway. I support shortening it to a one-or-two sentence summary.--Father Goose (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. If there are no opposing parties within the next few days, I will edit the list out and replace it elsewhere with a few sentences regarding the support the writers had from many mainstream Hollywood actors.*M ♦ ANDERSON ♦ 198 01:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The page is already very long and this list should either be deleted or moved to a separate linked entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.230.196 (talk) 22:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whether there's a good place elsewhere for the list. But it would make the page look nicer if the list were collapsed into a multi-column list. —Steve Schonberger (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Placing part of the economic crisis of the late 2000s

I think Hollywood must also blame for the currrent economic crisis. Therefore, any articles involving Hollywood (including this article) must be part of the current economic crisis section.--BigBang19 (talk) 20:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Late 2000s recession and subprime mortgage crisis is thataway.--Father Goose (talk) 04:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bloggers

I am a member of SAG that completely supported my sister union. I also produced a daily blog as well as a audio podcast about the strike. I'd like to feature it here as it was a news resource. It was removed. Please advise.

Tanjabarnes (talk) 04:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC) Tanjabarnes[reply]

It looked pretty informative to me, so I'd support having it in the article. A lot of people see someone of a given name linking to a site of the same name and assume it's nothing but self-promotion. That's no doubt why it was removed.--Father Goose (talk) 06:10, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

blogs aren't valid sources, and a blog by a SAG member is not a third party source. 67.176.160.47 (talk) 07:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But it can still be a valid external link.--Father Goose (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

shows

the part on shows talks only about talk shows, and has alot of information about the daily show, yet does not mention the effect on other shows, even though it caused seasons to be cut short and story arcs to be rewritten. 67.176.160.47 (talk) 07:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you can track down sources for its effect on other shows, you should expand the section to reflect a broader range of shows.--Father Goose (talk) 16:37, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proper article title

I completely agree with the previous article moves by users from "2007–2008…" to "2007–08…", so why was the first article move reverted? I am opening this discussion solely for respect of the reverter's request to do so, however, I do not feel this discussion even remotely worth anyone's time. The proper consistent naming convention for this article is "2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike". --(unsigned) 2010-08-21T22:09:18‎ Hucz

There was a local poll in February 2008 and a community wide RfC in 2016 both resulting in our preferred format to be 4-digit year ranges. 2-digit years in consecutive years are tolerated in some cases, but are still not the preferred form unless where the short form is the established name for a reoccuring event (which is not the case in our example as the timespan is just arbitrary), so "2007–2008". See also: MOS:YEARRANGE. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The quote boxes are POV

Wow, just scrolling through this article you get a quote from some actor or writer talking about the mean, greedy corporate executives stealing those poor starving writers' money. There's a place for stuff like that; it's called wikiquote. Seriously, I've never seen something like this in any other article, and the pro strike voices seriously outweigh the anti-strike ones. As well, sometimes the side bar quote doesn't have anything to do with the section it's in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.195.165 (talk) 07:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Daytime Serials & F.C.?

what about the financial core writers of soap operas? There were reports from print publications (Soap Opera Digest) that Dena Higley crossed the picket line to write DOOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.246.237 (talk) 22:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Book plug

Near the top of the page is what seems to be a very thinly-veiled book plug. Not saying that it's not notable, but it's not top-of-the-page material. I'm gonna go ahead and remove it, but I felt like posting here, since I've heard there is some general IP distrust in this community. 71.145.129.131 (talk) 06:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up

Axed a bunch of external links that didn't meet the criteria and some see also's that pointed to South Park and such. Fixed the 'outcome' aspect as the deal was solidified and put into place on 2011 showing the two sides continue to work together. William Allen which was marked for disamb was not in the source listed as a supporter, so I've removed that name from the list. All current clean up tags and stuff have been dealt with. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Specific Shows Affected By the Strike

Nearly all (if not all) full season shows had to cut short their 2007-8 season. For some shows, such as House MD, this probably had little impact on their longevity. Other shows were almost certainly going to be cancelled anyhow. However, some "on the bubble" shows probably died during the strike and as a result, a few shows unexpectedly were greenlighted. I'm there's no way to create a completely objective list of such shows, but perhaps we could start identifying potential candidates for such a list while deciding on the relevant criteria (pre-strike reviews, television without pity predictions, etc). 01:48, 2 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.16.170 (talk)

No film section?

I was looking through this article and found it odd that there isn't a list of the films that were affected by the strike. Shouldn't there be a section for that? 2602:306:80E5:6970:E4DA:FDBF:85C5:57A5 (talk) 17:55, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shows section

I suggest to add a new section with the shows that were affected by the strike... maybe adding if they lost an entire season, like 24 o some episodes like many others.
Thanks Arussom (talk) 21:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Restraining order & court order nonsense

"Striking writers voted on February 12, 2008 on whether to lift the restraining order, with 92.5% voting to end the strike.[8] On February 26, the WGA announced that the contract had been ratified with a 93.6% approval among WGA members.[9] The Writers Guild later requested a court order seeking that the agreement be honored and implemented."

A restraining order against whom? A court order to honor and implement a just-signed contract by whom? There's no explanation anywhere in the sources about these orders and the statements make no sense at face value. Typical Wikipedia nonsense, using sketchy news articles as sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.21.210 (talk) 02:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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restraining order?

The third paragraph talks about a "restraining order" without further explanation... If it means the strike itself, strikes are not "orders", has unions do not have legal power to stop people from working... --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New media residuals

This article does not seem to mention the strike's long term effect on new media residuals, specifically the 17-24 day residual-free window mentioned in this Twitter thread. Me27 (talk) 08:05, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"List of actors picketing"

The section "List of actors picketing" lists Kirk Cameron, Mel Gibson, and Melinda Clarke, but upon doing a command-f on the source (https://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/2007/11/picket-with-stars-tuesday-12-2-at.html), I couldn't find them. Did I miss something, or is their presence on the Wikipedia article erroneous? If nothing comes of this within 7 days, I'll delete them from the article. PiratePablo (talk) 04:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]