Talk:2005 Loganair Islander accident

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the 2005 Loganair Islander accident article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Aviation: Accidents

This article is within the scope of the Aviation WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.AviationWikipedia:WikiProject AviationTemplate:WikiProject Aviationaviation articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

This article is supported by the Aviation accident project.

United Kingdom Low‑importance

	United Kingdom portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Items that might need your help

I am an American, but since this happened in Scotland (with a British-made aeroplane), I tried to use UK spellings, and I'm certain I missed a few. Also, I used the units that were used in the AAIB report for everything, which was usually kg, US gallons, nm, metres (lateral distance), and feet (vertical distance - altitude and height). I made no attempt to convert these to other units in parentheses. Feel free. Dcs002 (talk) 11:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot Error OR Fatigue

Hi I would like to ask if the crash was caused by pilot error or fatigue? As the Human factor states that the pilot may have been fatigued. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 12:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The official accident report makes no mention of "pilot error", but it does cite fatigue. I have fixed the infobox. - Ahunt (talk) 23:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello it’s obit I haven’t signed in, but thank you for your help! Appreciate it man.

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 13:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requiring two pilots and automated height warnings - status?

I've been trying to find something coherent in the EASA website that states plainly whether these recommendations were eventually adopted as regulations, and from the best I can tell, the 2-pilot recommendation was rolled into a much larger proposal numbered 0599 and another one numbered 0600, but I can't decipher the diplomatic administrative vernacular. I wanted to update the article because the previously-anticipated decision dates were 2019 and 2020, but Brexit intervened, and I have no idea whether that would have impacted regulatory proposals made by the UK once they had separated from the EU. My head is spinning. Can anyone help? Is there a simple, searchable list of aviation regulations online? Thanks! Dcs002 (talk) 06:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You asked: Is there a simple, searchable list of aviation regulations online? - no, each nation has its own on, its own website and often they only have the current version, without showing changes. That makes it hard to see if accident investigations actually resulted in changes. - Ahunt (talk) 13:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aw crud. Well, thanks for that. I'm American, and I just don't understand how EU regulatory bodies work. (I get the impression a lot of Europeans don't either.) I thought the EASA set the regulations for all member states, but I guess that's not the case. I want to tidy up that section somehow, because whether or not those two recommendations were implemented, the one about torso restraints was implemented, so this accident did result in an important change in aviation safety. I'll give it some more thought and see about finding a way to make that section less dated and more substantial, depending on how things worked out. That's an issue here in the US too, particularly with rescue flights. Pilots tend to take more risks because someone might die if they don't (and they sometimes die when they do). But when was the last time Europe came up with a good safety regulation and the US adopted it? Dcs002 (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note here. Yes, for EU nations that are under EASA, they do use one set of rules, but the rest of the world doesn't, Canada for instance! The US in general has a "not made here" policy about everything, although they did steal all our Advanced Ultralight work for Light Sport Aircraft!

Regardless, any updating you can do about the regulatory fallout from the accident would be appreciated. - Ahunt (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So there is one set of EASA regulations for member states? That's what I'm looking for. (Regulatory change across Europe was all I was trying to establish, which I was able to do long ago with the upper torso restraint rule.) I have been unable to find their regulations. Whenever I search their site, I get proposals, administrative working groups, revisions of tasks, appointment of committee memberships to study certain issues, descriptions of the types of work products, statements of intent, revised statements of intent, four year plans that change every year, etc. All I want is a set of rules to search.

Sorry to vent like that. I'll keep looking. It's good to know they actually exist. I was hoping a European pilot or other professional might have some knowledge of how to find that online. Dcs002 (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-library/regulations - Ahunt (talk) 01:17, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also try https://www.easa.europa.eu/domains/safety-management/european-plan-aviation-safety also remember that the UK is no longer part of EASA. MilborneOne (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doesnt appear to be anything in https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-industry/Aircraft/Operations/Types-of-operation/Air-ambulance-operation/ about two-crew operation. MilborneOne (talk) 07:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]