Talk:2004 Masters (snooker)

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Cue sports Mid‑importance

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This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

Note: To watchlist this to-do list, click on "watch" at top right of this table. Watching the page it is transcluded on won't watch the to-do list.

Snooker Mid‑importance

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London Low‑importance

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GA Review

NEW GAR NEEDED

Withdrawn review, see Talk:2004 Masters (snooker)/GA2

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:2004 Masters (snooker)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Adityavagarwal (talk · contribs) 04:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, this looks like a wonderful article. Kindly feel free to revert any changes/mistakes I make as I review this article!

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
Is it verifiable with no original research?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

C. It contains no original research:

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

@Adityavagarwal: Almost three weeks have passed and with no comments on the article. What is the status of the review? MWright96 (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If this one does go on, I don't mind taking over if it goes into the darkness. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MWright96 I got really busy lately, but give me two to three days and I shall complete it. Thank you so much Lee Vilenski for offering help in completing the review, but I would try doing it in two to three days and if I would not be able to, I would let you know! Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:01, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Glad to see you back. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski Hey, I would not be able to complete this, so could you do this and Talk:Macdonald seamount/GA1? It would be a great help!

Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:10, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2004 Masters (snooker)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 04:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria - Y
It contains copyright infringements - No copyvio on check Y
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - Y
It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -Y

Links

No Disambig links Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
dispenser has some issues with a few links, but I don't know how you would fix that error. Links work Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Lede

First sentence is a bit long for me, I'd prefer something that describes what the article is about quickly such as: "The 2004 Masters was a professional non-ranking snooker event held in February 2004. The 2004 Masters was the 30th staging of The Masters one of the Triple Crown snooker events held between 1 - 8 February 2004 at the Wembley Conference Centre in London, United Kingdom." - Just feels punchier to me Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:17, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"by ten frames to nine (10–9), to claim the third Masters title of his career in four years." - "by ten frames to nine, claiming his third Masters title..." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:17, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" He joined" - "Hunter joined" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:17, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Thus, for the first time in history, the tournament was unsponsored in 2004. - The "in history" is a bit irrelevant, and a little puffy. I also prefer "went" to "was". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
following the Welsh Open and preceding the third Challenge Tour - Should this be the third challenge tour event? Is there a full tour after this event? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:29, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any reason why they had a new trophy? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:29, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Format and wild-card matches

Ding compiled breaks of 58 and 108, winning the first three frames in 50 minutes - Is 50 minutes quick for three frames? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:29, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First round

"dispatched" is depreciated on MOS:SNOOKER#Neutral tone in biography articles, makes it seem like the victory was easy. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
same with "overwhelmed". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
During a match that lasted 1 hour and 50 minutes, McManus' highest break was just 44. - needs a citation. I'd assume the one later in the paragraph covers this, but just to be sure. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Playing with a new cue (having intentionally destroyed his old one at a motorway service station),- Also needs a citation Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Davis complained about the cold air inside the venue, which had dampened the cloth and caused the chalk to stick to the cue ball, making the playing conditions intolerable for both competitor" - Did Davis comment that both men found this to be the case? Surely he could only speak for himself. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hendry made his 632nd career century break - the actual number of centuries made is a bit irrelevant. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" some high-quality potting gave White the lead" - WP:NPOV. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"he was the last player to progress from the first round to the quarter-finals" - considering the matches are scheduled to take place one after the next, this information isn't pertinent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

quarter-finals

lots of "he" - is quite confusing, especially during a final frame. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
", in what turned out to be a calmer match" - What does this mean? Calmer than his first round match, in terms of the crowd? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-finals

Good! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Final

Hunter reduced O'Sullivan's advantage to just two frames by compiling breaks of 102 and 82 in two of the next four frames; he then took the score to 7–6 by executing successful long-range pots - This makes it sound as though Hunter won two out of the next four frames from 7-2 behind, when he actually won 4 frames on the bounce. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There was a protracted safety exchange early in the deciding frame, and a 36 break put Hunter ahead with three red balls left on the table; he won the match and the tournament - This makes it sound as though Hunter lead the frame with three red balls to play - 51 points remaining. Reword needed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes & References

references look good! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

On hold - Only a few things above worth looking at. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: Thank you again for another review. Hopefully that is everything that needs to be addressed in the article done. MWright96 (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]