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Added information on division's behavior in Croatia

The material is sourced from Tomasevich, already referenced in the entry. Please see: https://books.google.com/books?id=fqUSGevFe5MC&pg=PA306&lpg=PA306&dq=cossack+atrocities+in+yugoslavia --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Petition to move the page back

Hey there, @Peacemaker67, while I understand that you moved the page to stress the SS allegiance of the unit, I disagree on three key points: (1) Even under the SS, the unit never carried "SS" in its name; (2) Although nominally moved to the SS, the unit indeed kept using Wehrmacht ranks, uniforms, titles and command structure, and (3) the page clearly contains a section of history (from 1943 to December 1944) when the unit was part of the German army rather than the Waffen-SS — indeed, I would argue that that segment of history, what with the anti-partisan warfare in Yugoslavia in 1943/44, is the most important part of its operational history.

As a result of all this, I'd kindly petition to move the page back to 1st Cossack Cavalry Division, and to make 1st SS Cossack Cavalry Division a redirect. Best wishes, Ted52 (talk) 17:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Ted52. Generally we use the ultimate name of a formation. There certainly are reliable sources that use "SS" in the name, but I will look for some definitive academic and or German source on this matter. As far as going back to 1st Cossack Cavalry Division, that is far too imprecise. A division with such a title could easily have existed in Czarist times, and some sort of disambiguation would be needed regardless. In the current case, "SS" provides the clarity needed, but if it were in fact true that its final formation name did not have "SS" in it, then (Nazi Germany) would be the obvious parenthetical disambiguation, ie 1st Cossack Cavalry Division (Nazi Germany). I'll have a look through the usual sources and get back to you. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that we would ordinarily use (Wehrmacht) as disambiguation, but this would be inaccurate in this case, as it was a Waffen-SS formation for a considerable period of its existence, and ended the war as such, and the Waffen-SS was not part of the Wehrmacht. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]