Talk:1998 Esso Longford fire

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Added this new article which was mentioned on the Australian Wikipedians' notice board. If any engineers are reading this and would like to proof read and fact check the technical section about the cause of the accident, please do! -- Canley 05:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, thats an awesome article, I've added a link to the Coroner's report into the explosion which is still online, but I havn't actually read the report. Agnte 09:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Canley, Any particular technicalities you think need checking? Anything you're not sure of? I can help. opal2.

Mostly the part about how the heat exchanger operates, I was quite vague as I really didn't understand it. --Canley 23:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Description of the heat exchanger

GP905 was a shell and tube heat exchanger. This is a simple vessel with no moving parts - a horizontal cylindrical vessel, about 10 metres long and 1 metre in diameter.

A diagram of a typical shell and tube heat exchanger can be found in this Wikipedia article "Heat exhanger":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_exchanger

The purpose of a heat exchanger is to transfer heat from a hot fluid to a cold fluid, without the two fluids mixing.

With GP905, the hot fluid was Rich Oil and the cold fluid was Lean Oil.

During normal operations, the Lean Oil entered the exchanger at 230C, and exited at 120C. The Rich Oil entered at 60C and exited at 100C. Thereby, heat was transferred from the hot Lean Oil to the cold Rich Oil.

The steel cylinder is called the "shell". Inside the shell is a bundle of about 100 steel tubes, running the length of the shell. Hence, it is called a "shell and tube" heat exchanger.

The hot Lean Oil flowed through the shell, passing over the tubes. The cold Rich Oil flowed throught the tubes. Heat was transferred from the hot Lean Oil, through the tubes, to the cold Rich Oil. The internal structure of the exchanger ensured that the the two fluids did not mix.

The shell was closed at each end by a circular plate bolted to a flange.

The heat exchanger was covered with insulation, apart from the pipe connections.

opal2

(I'm not used to Wikipedia - I'm fumblibg a bit with the mechanics of editing.)

Gas Plant One is mainly a natural gas plant

LPG is a side product. Gas Plant One was, and is, a producer of natural gas. In 1998, Longford was essentially the only supplier of natural gas to the state of Victoria.

Although Americans use the term "gas" for what we call "petrol", both countries have a common understanding of "natural gas". Using the term "natural gas" avoids any confusion.

From the article:"The liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) is further extracted by means of a shell and tube heat exchanger". Condensate and ethane were removed from the gas feed in each absorber. Condensate, as liquid, fell into the absorber's sump & exited the absorber; ethane, as gas, was absorbed into lean oil in the absorber, converting the lean oil into rich oil; the rich oil fell into a collection tray & exited the absorber. The ethane was removed from the rich oil in the ROF section of the plant. LPG wasn't involved (LPG consists of hydrocarbons heavier than ethane, such as propane & butane).

The normal production process is seriously complicated and cannot be described in a few short paras.Klystron99 (talk) 09:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a solid effort to produce a correct and complete (to the extent needed) of the normal production process. It is fundamental to understanding the accident. The accident was complex because the production process was complex. Klystron99 (talk) 10:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Explosion or not

The title and lead paragraph for this article refers to an explosion. But the section about the incident states that there was no explosion, it was a vapour cloud deflagration and jet fire. This apparent contradiction should be resolved (by someone who has more info on the actual event).--Pakaraki (talk) 02:19, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is correct that there was no explosion. The media always calls things that go bang an explosion. The term stuck. There was a rupture of the heat exchanger followed by a violent outburst of hydrocarbons. A vapour cloud formed and drifted towards gas-fired heaters. The front of the cloud ignited when it reached the heaters; a flame front burned back through the cloud at about walking pace; the hydrocarbons exiting the ruptured exchanger ignited and a jet fire developed. The fire impinged on pipes that collapsed adding more fuel to the fire. No explosion occurred. This is all based on the Royal Commission's report. Klystron99 (talk) 13:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better if the article's title was "Esso Longford Gas Plant Accident". Klystron99 (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I can get support from at least one other contributor, I would like to request Wikipedia to change the page title to "Esso Longford gas plant accident 1998". As far as I can tell it isn't possible to edit the title or perhaps unwise as it might effect the entry in the WP database.

Any other contributors willing to support this change? Klystron99 (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article class & importance

As at Aug 2023 the article is graded as Start-class & Low-importance. That's not good enough. I'd like to work to get it up to B-class & High-importance. Klystron99 (talk) 10:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC) grade. Klystron99 (talk) 10:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have done improvements and upgraded to C-class. What do you think?JudeFawley (talk) 06:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]