Talk:1996 Football League First Division play-off final

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1996 Football League First Division play-off final has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 11, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
May 23, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted
January 22, 2024	Good topic removal candidate	Demoted

Current status: Good article

Sources

Play-offs

First legs Done
Second legs Done

Background

Observer Not done
Guardian Done
Guardian ITV Done
Sunday Mirror Not done
Sunday Life Done
Sunday Tribune Done
Daily Mirror {not done}}
Liverpool Echo Done
Leicester history Not done
Palace history Not done
Guardian Done
The Times Done
The Times Done
The Independent Not done
The Independent Not done
Guardian odds Done
The Independent odds Done

Leicester top scorer: Iwan Roberts (20 goals; 19 in league, 1 in League Cup)

Leicester second top scorer: Mark Robins (10 goals; 6 in league, 4 in League Cup).

Leicester source: <ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Glenda |editor1-last=Rollin |editor2-first=Jack |editor2-last=Rollin |title=Rothmans Football Yearbook 1996–97 |year=1996 |publisher=Headline Publishing Group |location=London |isbn=978-0-7472-7781-1 |pages=200–201, 577–581, 602–603}}</ref>

Palace top scorer: Dougie Freedman (20 goals; all in league).

Palace second top scorer: Bruce Dyer (14 goals; 13 in league, 1 in FA Cup).

Palace source: <ref>{{cite book |editor1-first=Glenda |editor1-last=Rollin |editor2-first=Jack |editor2-last=Rollin |title=Rothmans Football Yearbook 1996–97 |year=1996 |publisher=Headline Publishing Group |location=London |isbn=978-0-7472-7781-1 |pages=140–141, 577–581, 602–603}}</ref>

Match

Guardian Done
11v11
Irish Independent
Daily Mirror
Reading Evening Post
Evening Herald Done
Liverpool Echo Not done
Liverpool Echo Done
Hammersmith and Shepherd's Bush Gazette (!) Not done
The Independent Done
Irish Times
The Times Done

Post-match

Statement Quality Predictions

Hi, Here are a few statements that were flagged as having POV issues by an AI. I'm posting these here for feedback and evaluation of the predictions. The related discussion can be found here. Each example contains the statement that was flagged by the AI as having minor POV issues along with the probability score of the prediction and the five possible words that led to the flagging. Note that all of the words will not be relevant but one of them is expected to be the reason for such flagging. The statements were taken from the article as on 30th November, 2020.

In an interview 20 years later, Claridge refuted that he had scored off his shin, claiming "It didn‚Äôt hit my shin, that was a stupid thing to say ..."

Probability: 0.9681972

The biggest talking point of extra-time came with just seconds to go; Martin O'Neill sent on his substitute goalkeeper Zeljko Kalac, expecting the 6 ft 7in keeper to be a better bet at saving penalties than Kevin Poole.

Probability: 0.7394836

He added that he was "dreading penalties" having converted just one spot kick from six attempts during his career.

Probability: 0.7043451

Journeyman Claridge, who had moved to Leicester City from Birmingham City in March, described his winning strike as "the most important goal of [his] life" but admitted that it "went in off [his] shin".

Probability: 0.62054914

Noting that some of the flagged statements are in quotes, but I'm still posting them for feedback and have a conversation if the predictions make sense.

Pinging User:The_Rambling_Man regarding the update. We can discuss if a different format is more helpful after this initial posting. Sumit (talk) 21:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1996 Football League First Division play-off Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 09:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Route to the final

with the first leg being played at — As in other articles, I would explicitly mention the two-legged tie.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
a disagreement with manager Martin O'Neill — Any details?
No, not in the source. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
made it 1–0 to the visitors. Leicester City won the tie 3–1 on aggregate and progressed to the final. — Looks like we're missing quite a bit here—three goals aren't even mentioned.
Typo, the agg win was 1–0. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Shaun Newton capitalised on a rebound from Palace's goalkeeper Nigel Martyn — What minute?
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
the on-loan Kenny Brown — Where was he on loan from?
The hammers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
overhead kick — Link to bicycle kick?
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
David Whyte — Suggest "[name of team]'s David Whyte"
Tweaked to avoid quick repetition. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Iwan Roberts with 19 goals and Emile Heskey on 7 — Any non-league goals?
Looked again and found Roberts had a League Cup goal, Heskey just league, but added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
sustained a rib injury — Any details (broken, bruised, etc.)?
Just "damaged" so no detail. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Robins — Should have full name/link.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dyer was second-top scorer with a total of 14 goals — All in the league?
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
O'Neill would make a bid for Keith O'Neill — No relation, I assume?
Nope. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
an elbow injury ... Hopkin remained an injury doubt — Any details?
No extra detail. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

Leicester made their final substitution of the game to bring on 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) tall goalkeeper Zeljko Kalac in anticipation of a penalty shootout — General question: I take it you can't substitute the goalie once the extra period is over? What if he gets injured during the shootout?
Great questions. You can't do it "tactically" but if the goalkeeper is injured, you can. As long as you have enough substitutions remaining... I think! Take a look at the article, it's really interesting, especially points 12 through 16. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, thanks. Take a look at which article? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:22, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Penalty shoot-out (association football) The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Claridge — Needs full name/link.
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
With less than a minute remaining, Claridge struck the winning goal from a Julian Watts header, and eleven seconds later, the referee blew the final whistle. — No injury time, huh?
Nope. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the final minute of the additional 30-minute period ... With less than a minute remaining — The implication is that these moves happened in the same minute. Any word on how many seconds apart?
None, it's altogether possible they happened in the same minute. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For a two-hour game, this section feels fairly short. Anything that could be added?
It is short but as you can see from the variety of sources in the article, I've scoured for mostly everything. I'll take another look and see. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Turns out I'd already checked Gale, ProQuest, BNA and Google. Nothing more to add sadly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
O'Neill was given a £5 million budget to make additions to the Leicester City squad — To compete in the Premiership?
I imagine that would be the case! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

#10 — Suggest sfn footnote, and moving Smith & Taylor to a "Bibligraphy" section.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#13, 14 — Likewise, suggest moving to "Bibliography" and using sfn footnotes.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#15, 16, 18, 22, 24, 33 — No paid subscription needed (may I suggest removing that from your newspapers.com template?)
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#29 — Paid subscription needed
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

The Rambling Man, over to you. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique all addressed/responded to. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique anything more needed here? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, I just need to read through your responses and edits. I'll take a look now. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, looks good, passing now. One question above. Also, take a look at the edit I just made re: reference formatting, and see if you like it—it's a slightly more elegant method, I think. But undo the edit if you don't like it. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine, thanks. Responded above. Cheers for the review. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]