Talk:1990 San Diego Chargers season

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1990 San Diego Chargers season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 15:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• Seau's number retirement isn't mentioned in the body, although I realize it may be hard to work it in.
  • Now added a line in the Draft section
• Lead could use some discussion of the notable players during the season.
  • I've added a bit more

Infobox

• Pro bowl selections not mentioned in article.
  • Now added at the end

General manager change

• "Director of Football Operations", or "general manager"?
  • Roughly equivalent roles - I've changed the section title to reflect that Ortmayer wasn't a GM.
• "the big signing of quarterback Jim McMahon ending the 1989 season on the bench" — More details on this "big signing"? Also, grammatically speaking, the sentence is saying the signing ended on the bench.
  • Reworded and added a citation
• Spanos needs an introduction.
  • Now identified as the owner
• "general manager of Washington" — Washington, D.C.? George Washington? Washington F.C.?
  • Stalking this review to respond to this: Washington Football Team (probably trying to avoid the then-current name). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Yeah, my attempt at humor may have been lost there. But in any event, a link (which could be piped to avoid the team name) would be good. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
      • Link to the WFT added

Departures & arrivals

• A bit odd that in the other article I reviewed, this info was considerably shorter yet split across two sections, while here it's considerably longer and contained in one section.
  • I originally had these as separate sections in these articles, but the reviewer for the 1989 article suggested they'd work better as a merged section. I've now gone back and merged the 1961 sections for consistency.
• Same point from the last review about introducing each person with a full name and a link, then switching to last name and no link. Again, you should do a Ctrl+F for each player.
  • I've done this now. The only challenge was that two players are called Miller. As Anthony Miller comes up far more often in the article, I've generally referred to him as simply "Miller" (with the exception of the first time his name comes up), and referred to Les Miller by his full name. Where both are mentioned in the same game report, I've used Anthony Miller's full name as well.
    • Yeah, good point. In summaries where Anthony Miller (but not Les Miller) is mentioned, you might start that section with the full name. But no big deal either way. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
• Henning needs an introduction.
  • Now identified as the head coach
• "a contract agreement was unlikely" — Why?
  • I've now specified that performance incentives were the main sticking point
• Not in love with the syntax of the first sentence, particularly the "having advised" part, which places the events out of order.
  • Reordered now
• Coryell needs an introduction; I thought it was a coach, not an offensive scheme.
  • Don Coryell is fairly synonymous with his Charger offense, but I've amended the sentence to name him as head coach
• Recalled, or resigned?
  • Resigned does seem more accurate - I've amended
• Why say "handful" instead of the exact number?
  • Now amended
• The "second consecutive season" link doesn't work (subsection has a different name).
  • Updated now
• Reveiz is mentioned here, but he isn't included in the roster. Is the roster complete?
  • The roster is identified in the title bar as the final roster, so Reviez isn't included, having left mid-season. Perhaps a fuller roster, showing all player movements, would be better, but all NFL team seasons currently use this method
    • Agreed that it would be better; having the final-only roster seems arbitrary and incomplete. But as you say, that issue can be saved for another day. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
• Who were the other two people competing for kicker?
  • I've added their names (neither meets notability standards)

NFL draft

• Maybe clarify what "held out" means.
  • I've added a wikilink
• served as a foil for Anthony Miller — I have no idea what this means.
  • Amended to show statistics
• Any players worthy of red links in the chart?
  • It looks like none of them made it to a qualifying league - a few were in WLAF, which isn't on the notability list.
• Is Southern University normally referred to as "Southern U." rather than "Southern"?
  • It does seem that simply "Southern" is standard - I've amended
• Why is linebacker linked, but none of the other positions?
  • Now linked

Staff

• Any red-link worthy people?
  • I actually found a couple that I could blue-link. For the rest, they don't seem to reach sports notability, which is a higher bar for coaches and staff than for players.

Roster

• See point about about whether this is complete.
  • It should be correct as of the final regular season game
• Maybe spell out halfback?
  • It seems to be the convention to use these abbreviations - including a key might be an idea. This is a set template, though.
• Why is "Practice squad" empty?
  • It's difficult to find info on practice squads from that far back. It would probably be better to just delete that sub-title, but it seems the template won't allow that - it still appears, even when I go in and delete it.

Overview

• Anything to link "passer rating" to?
  • Now wikilinked
• Overall record should be prominently noted.
  • I've added this at the start
• Gill Byrd led the team with seven interceptions for the third consecutive season — He had seven for the third season in a row, he led the team for the third season in a row, or both? If the former, you could say "With seven interceptions, Gill Byrd led the team for the third consecutive season".
  • It's both - I've amended to clarify.
• only 2 successes from 7 field goal attempts — Were the misses particularly long attempts?
  • I've now specified they were all from less than 50 yards

Week 1

• Here and in the following sections, what about linking "Cowboys" (and subsequent opponents) in the box score to the article on that team's season?
  • Now linked
• 41-yard pass-interference penalty — Clarify that it was defensive pass interference?
  • Clarification added
• What does "in the slot" mean?
  • Modified to read upback
• What does "the run was on his side" mean?
  • Clarification added
• Aikman sneaked for — "Aikman sneaked in for"? Link to quarterback sneak?

Week 2

• Can "sweep" be linked to anything?
  • Now wikilinked
• "417–302" yards?
  • Clarified as yards

Week 3

• "got the Chargers moving" — Jargon.
  • Now amended
• "Reveiz was short from 44 yards on the next Charger possession" — It's implied, but perhaps clarify that this was a field-goal attempt.
  • Clarified
• "Joe Fuller ended the final Browns drive with another interception." — This is his first and only mention, so perhaps give him a brief introduction.
  • Identified as a former CFL cornerback
• Anything else that can be said in the final paragraph?
  • I've added one more line

Week 4

• "jumping while behind the line of scrimmage" — Can you clarify what "jumping" means?
  • Clarified he was jumping to distract the kicker
• "Reveiz was wide left from 27 yards out, effectively ensuring defeat" — How much time left at this point?
  • Three minutes now stated

Week 5

• A bit odd to see three dashes (—) in this section after so few before.
  • I've taken these out now
• Anything else that can be said in the final paragraph?
  • A couple more lines added

Week 6

• "both sides of the ball" — jargon.
  • Now rephrased
• A bit odd to say everyone did better, and then immediately jump to "numerous miscues".
  • I've reworked the first line to say that they didn't start the game well
• "Given a fresh set of downs" — Is this because possession was judged to have changed after the fumbled snap?
  • I've clarified that the double turnover made it first down again

Week 7

• "another Jackson touchdown" — Anything notable about how it was scored?
  • I've clarified that it was a run (I don't usually write as much about opposition touchdowns, as they are less the focus of the article)
• "San Diego's last two possessions saw them turn the ball over on downs at the Raider 2- and 34-yard lines." — Anything notable about these drives? The first in particular seems to have been a long one.
  • I've expanded slightly
• Anything else to add in the final paragraph?
  • I've added a little - it was quite a non-descript game

Week 8

• Up to you, but maybe for the 1987 San Diego Chargers season add a section link to the relevant week, so it automatically updates if/when a week-by-week account is added for that season? Also, when was the next time they scored 41+ points?
  • Link added, and I've worked in a reference to the next time they did it
• Anything else that can be added to the final paragraph? (For this and similar comments, feel free to say "no" if there isn't.)
  • I've added a little more

Week 9

• Richard Brown isn't mentioned anywhere else. Why isn't he in the roster section?
  • Good spot - it looks like he ended the season on injured reserve. I've added him now.
• "tied the scores through John L. Williams" — How? Pass? Run? Also, "score" rather than "scores", no?
  • Now clarified and amended
• "Carney extended the Charger lead" — Some signposting would be helpful here, e.g., "# minutes into the second half, Carney extended the Charger lead..."
  • Time reference added
• "Seattle pulled seven points back" — As said in the other review, "pulled back" sounds as if the team got within X number of points, not that they scored X number of points.
  • Now reworded

Week 10

• What does "Plummer scoring off right tackle" mean?
  • Wikilink added to clarify
• "but lost a yard on their next two plays" — "but lost a yard on each of their next two plays" (but only if correct)?
  • Clarified as one yard lost over the two plays

Week 11

• "were robbed of the chance to kick a field goal" — Was it someone else's fault?
  • Reworded to be more neutral
• Worth a third paragraph mentioning any notable overall aspects of the game?
  • I've added a couple of lines

Week 12

• "they lost their first overtime game in three years." — The first overtime game in three years, or the first overtime loss in three years?
  • Both - I've tried to clarify this now.
    • Looks like they actually won the one from 1987? But you don't mention the result in the article, so nothing needs to be changed. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
• "after Frank was ruled not to have taken a low interception cleanly" — Meaning he almost intercepted it, but it was ruled to be not a catch?
  • Added the word "attempted" to clarify that he did not achieve the interception.
• Can you please double check my edits changing "Williams" to "Lee Williams"? It was a little confusing, given that there was also a John L. Williams in that game, and I want to make sure I got it correct.
  • Yes, those look fine
• "with possession of the ball near midfield" — What down?
  • I've now specified down and distance
• If there's anything more to add to the final paragraph, great, otherwise no worries.
  • I've moved the note about overtime to this paragraph

Week 13

• "completed a two-game sweep" — "two-game season sweep"?
  • Now amended
• The second sentence of the second paragraph is a bit of a doozy, with both a colon and a semicolon.
  • I've broken it up a bit

Week 15

• "but Walker fumbled" — I assume the Broncos recovered?
  • Now clarified

Week 16

• "another with his legs" — I know what you're trying to say here, but it sounds odd.
  • Modified to "with a run"
• "Chief 3", or "Chiefs 3"?
  • I think you could say it either way, but I've amended as plural does sound a little more natural

Week 17

• Why did they put Friesz in?
  • Reason added and cited
• How many plays on the opening drive?
  • Info added
• What does "reverse field" mean?
  • I've tried to make this clearer - basically, starting out on one side and then improvising a run back the other way
• Perhaps worth adding something summing up the season here.
  • I've added a final line

Standings

• No source given.
  • Source added

Other

• Any awards that were handed out at the end of the season? Pro bowlers? Other things like that?
  • I've added a table of league-wide awards. The CHargers will have given out interneal awards as well, but I can't find anything saying who those went to.

A quick comment from User:Sammi Brie

• Wanted to leave this here since I'd been considering doing a review. You might want to consider using PressPass to generate citations for Newspapers.com which would be more complete (you do have to manually add most page numbers and story authors). The |pages= field of {{cite news}} can support links to second pages and clippings. For instance, a citation could look like this:

References

Hopefully this provides some guidance from one power Newspapers.com user to another. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree about adding the various information. One note: the page numbers that newspapers.com displays are frequently incorrect (e.g., after a 12-page A section, B-1 might be given as page 13), so you should look at the actual pages in question to determine the numbers. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Comment

Usernameunique Sammi Brie Thanks for your comments. As the 1961 article is moving towards completion, I'll try to make a start on this one over the weekend. I'll try to carry over the advice from the 1961 article (citations etc.) to this one as well.--Harper J. Cole (talk) 00:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Usernameunique Hopefully in good shape now. Let me know if there's any further problems.--Harper J. Cole (talk) 00:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Harper J. Cole, looks good, passing now. A couple very minor final comments above. As per the last article, the references would need some additional work if you want to take this article further—but the article as a whole is in great shape. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:39, 30 January 2022 (UTC)