Talk:1985 World Snooker Championship final

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25th Anniversary frame

This is like saying there should be no mention of New Year in the Auld Lang Syne article, because the article is not about New Year. The anniversary frame is wholly to do with the 1985 final. It has much more relevance here than it has in the 2010 World Snooker Championship article. You'll be glad to know that I can find nothing on the 20th Anniversary, so will not be adding it to the article. Mannafredo (talk) 15:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

This has been a great effort - well done. I've tightened up the text a little to improve the English and remove an American term 'pocketed'. I notice that Ted Lowe's quote about Taylor 'chancing his arm' pn the final black has been removed, however. I trust my edit has been useful.Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 21:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Question

Has someone just pasted that 'road to the final' from a Champions League page? Heh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.233.231 (talk) 11:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was. Don't like it? Armbrust ^{Talk to me} _Contribs 15:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Something wrong here

"Taylor then won six of the seven frames to trail only 7–9 overnight..........Going into the final session, he won two of the first three frames to trail 8–11"

If he'd won two of the first three it would've been 9-10 surely? I can't find a record of the exact order of frames won from the sources given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.86.138 (talk) 18:09, 12 February 2013‎

 Fixed Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1985 World Snooker Championship final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 19:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to be challenged on, or discuss, any of my review comments. I'll make what I consider to be uncontroversial minor edits as I got through. (Note: I've made one edit to the article previously - to disambiguate a link.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Copyvio and plagiarism?

• Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows 6.5%. I checked through all matches of 1% or above and have no concerns.
  • Epic Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Images

• Both photos are free to use and are appropriate.
  • Nice. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Looking at WP:CAPLENGTH I believe that adding captions showing when the pictures were taken is optional, but as these pictures are 19 and 25 years after the final, it could be considered (e.g. "Davis in 2010").
  • I've added a small caption. They did exist before, but the formatting stopped them from being displayed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Consider adding something to the box to show that the stats are as at the time of the final. Whilst this will be obvious for ages, it's not so obvious for world rankings, and as we know (it's covered under "Legacy" here), Davis went on to win a further three world titles as well as being runner-up in 1986.
  • Added a title per the MOS. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Some of the info in the pic boxes is not exactly sourced in the article.(e.g. championships/finals (not quite sourced in the match report section, which is less specific); ages; Taylor's seeding.)
  • I have sourced these items/added to the body. If anything is missing let me know. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Road to the final

• "Australian" but no other nationalities mentioned. I think it can probably be omitted as the table which includes nationalities is just below.
  • No worries. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Match report

• "Davis was strong favourite going into the tournament .." - doesn't this belong in "Road to the final"?
  • I've spaced this as the Road being for the preceding rounds, whilst the match report covers the prior meetings to this match in particular (which is what this sentence leads into.) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

The final frame

• Might be worth mentioning what happened on the blue and pink - article currently goes from Taylor potting brown to it being decided on the black.
  • In process  Doing... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Hmm, none of my sources (other than the video), really cover this. Should I just cite the video? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
    • I see this has now been covered. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
• "a reasonable middle-distance" - not sure about this. What was reasonable about it?
  • Yeah, I get what this would mean, but poorly worded. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• "regular pot" - again, not sure about this. Is there another word that can be used instead of regular?
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Should the last para be under "Legacy"?
  • Moved Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Do you think something about the finger-wagging and cue wielding by Taylor, and Davis' quote "It was all there in black and white" is worth including?
  • I've added a para. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• "several records" but only two mentioned - any others?
  • It mentions three actually. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Is it worth futureproofing the last para slightly by adding some "As of 2020 .." or equivalent statements?
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Match statistics

• Is having the winning scores both in bold and with daggers for accessibility reasons?
  • ...Yes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• I'm not sure that it would be obvious to a reader not familiar with snooker that the numbers in brackets next to the frame scores are breaks. (I had a go at a final table for 1981 World Snooker Championship, but that probably has its own issues.)
  • added a note. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Legacy

• Wikilink Masters? Or is the 1987 link adequate? A Masters link might, I think, be useful to quickly see the prestige attached to that tournament.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• '"around the angles"' / '"cocked hat" shot' should probably be explained.
  • I've linked it. I'm not sure what else you can say. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
• Note: I was expecting a bit more under legacy, but actually having looked at a few snooker books, this section covers it as is. (The books basically all refer to it as "the greatest" snooker match, but not linked to any info about effects on participation in the sport, prize money, international appeal etc.)

References

• 22 and 23 (ESPN) seem to be the same source so could be combined.
  • Combined. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

External links

• The first BBC link requires registration, and I guess may not be available outside the UK. I'm not sure whether it passes WP:ELREG. Should this be kept?
• For me, the second BBC link causes a .ram file to download rather than opening a site.
  • OK after removal. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• "played on the weekend of 27–28 April" consider reword to cover off the overspill into the early hours of Monday mentioned in the following paragraph.
  • I think we already cover this with the timed finish. We don't do this on tournamnent articles, so I'd rather not set a precident. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• "reaching the zenith of its popularity" - I don't think this is included in the main article.
  • Agreed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• "the eighth year of the BBC's coverage" looks uncited.
  • I couldn't find a suitable place to shoehorn it in, so I've (regretfully) cited in the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
• Is it worth futureproofing the last para slightly by adding some "As of 2020 .." or equivalent statements?
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Initial comments above, Lee Vilenski. Nothing major, but I may have some further comments later, after looking over some sources again. Thanks for your work on this. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• I've done some work BennyOnTheLoose Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, all looks good and I'm happy to pass this for GA. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

"Taylor was never ahead" - not completely true

The claim that "Until the final frame, Taylor was never ahead" is not completely true. After the 15–15, Taylor went on to lead in frame 31 with 6–0, before finally losing the frame with 6–66. This can be seen in this recording, 10:43:08. So, for a short time and a tiny edge, he was ahead of Davis, even before the final frame. The wording should be corrected in this regard. --KnightMove (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I have solved it myself by adding "... ahead in frames." --KnightMove (talk) 15:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)