Talk:Exodus (band)

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This page lacks any history before Kirks departure and starts off as if the members of the band at that time were common knowledge and you were on a first name basis.

This page is still very much incomplete, I will keep working on it Jackliddle 03:16, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Spelling

I've seen Exodus spelt eXodus a lot of the time. how is it supposed to be spelt (anon)

I've noticed the same thing, especially when I'm ripping albums and the program I'm using goes to CDDB for the track listing. I've never seen it as "eXodus" before. All the album sleeves simply have it as "EXODUS" so I have no idea where that's come from. IainP (talk) 08:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, ripping all albums to iTunes gives me eXodus, but their logo is ALWAYS capitalised. I think this may be like the people who name Metallica "MetallicA" or Abba, "AbbA"

History / Picture

1) Is the picture at the top a current line-up? Can someone give it a better title than "A picture of the band Exodus" which is a bit crappy! I've just shortened it to "Exodus" for the moment, but something more descriptive is needed.

2) I'm restructuring the biog/history bit. I am no expert and inaccuracies will creep in. Can someone who knows more than me check the facts?

3) Metal Hammer recently had an article about the recording of Bonded by Blood which could be ripped apart for info for this article. Sorry, but all my possessions are in storage and I fly to Asia in a week so I don't have time to do much more myself :)

IainP (talk) 10:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

CHANGE THE PICTURE, IT'S CRAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beckham Trivia?

Does no one else find citing this pointless fact demeaning to the band? checking for approval before removal ... Innuendus, 8:50pm, eastern standard time

I wonder whether he knew what it referred to. Even with the trend of reproduction Ramones t-shirts among the fashionista I find it unlikely that David is a closet metaller.--MartinUK 23:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

When was Exodus formed?

According to exodusattack.com Exodus was formed in 1982. What's this stuff about exodus being founded in 1980? I think this information is incorrect. I would like to see the sources of the new informations (formed in 1980, band members etc.) on this page.

Right! And what about Gary Holt? He isn't even mentioned in the first paragraph, like he wasn't a founding member or what? --80.133.207.212 14:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Gary wasn't in the original Exodus band, he was a fan who became Kirk Hammet's guitar roadie. Tom Hunting is the only remaining original member. However the band was in a state of flux until Gary was recruited to replace their original guitarist Tom Magnello (sic?). What's stated on the official Exodus websiteonyl date from when Gary joined the band. However the printed information is accurate according to this link...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=53068516

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Bjork

On Charter Digital Cable's music choice, there are little one-sentence facts that pop up about the artist that you're listening to. On channel 915 (Alternative), it was playing Bjork's "Human Behavior," and the little fact that appeared at the bottom stated that "Before going solo, she was a member of various punk bands including Exodus, etc." This doesn't seem right. Their genre in the infobox says thrash-metal, unless of course they started out punk and became thrash later on. I don't really listen to this band, but I was curious on if Bjork really was a member of this band. (For the record, I'm not a Bjork fan either, this was just something that I noticed about an hour ago flipping through channels trying to find something to watch.) Dark Executioner (talk) 18:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Actually, it is another band. Conservoman (talk) 15:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Possible Source for founding of Exodus

The article gives different dates for the founding of Exodus. This page here <http://exodusattack.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10038> on the Exodus forums seems to be reliable enough to be used as a source. What do you think? Should we add that forum thread as a reference? Thanks 69.225.81.160 (talk) 20:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of last paragraphs

Why the hell were the several last paragraphs deleted? I was just passing through and saw that some random IP (just like mine now) has deleted them. Is there any reason for this or is it just vandalism? 78.62.114.241 (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Gary Holt is not an original member of Exodus

It's an annoyingly common misconception that Holt founded the band and that he is the only remaining original member. False. Holt wasn't even a part of the original line up, as he replaced a previous guitarist called Tim Agnello. Sure, he's remained in the band ever since unlike any other members and is therefore thought to be the leader, but this still doesn't mean he's an original member. Tom Hunting is in fact the only original member remaining, although he has left on two occasions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrIpodz (talk • contribs) 00:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Title

I find it odd that the title of this page is "Exodus (American band)", why not simply "Exodus (band)"? The current title suggest that there is another band of the same name, which there is not - or at least an article anyway, it just leads to the same page.Yellowxander (talk) 01:28, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Genre

It simply calls exodus "Thrash Metal" but are they? Exodus's music includes many growled or screamed lyrics, full of slasher-film type violence, which seems more similar to Death Metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.66.197.131 (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Well Exodus is defenetly Thrash and not Death Metal. You may find growls or screams, but anyway that is typical for Thrash too and remember Thrash was before DM. So no Exodus has actually nothing to do with DM. If you listen to the Album Fabulous Desaster you will find groovy stuff and some Cajun influences (Gary Holt admires Cajun music afaik). But this does not make Exodus a Cajun band, right? And lyricswise Exodus also is pure Thrash Metal, maybe their first album had a "satanic" touch here and there. But that was something that happened to many other first releases or beginner days (check Sodom or Destruction). Other bands make it not that easy to categorize them, but Exodus is all real Thrash! Greetz from Germany. \mm/ :-) --91.60.100.107 (talk) 16:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 10 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. The 2019 RFC was clear that PDAB is allowed, albeit with a higher bar than a usual PTOPIC. But it was also demonstrated by supporters that the American band has a very large lead in page views of around two orders of magnitude. Therefore, through the lens of WP guidelines and wider consensus on this, the oppose !votes do not seem to have as much merit as the supports.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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Exodus (American band) → Exodus (band) – We have both Exodus (American band) and Exodus (Polish band) articles on Wikipedia, which means that normally Exodus (band) should redirect to Exodus (disambiguation). However, Exodus (band) is a primary redirect to this page, and has been since 2013. That's kind of sitting on the WP:PDAB fence, so I propose that we move the article to the PDAB title, much like we have with Oasis (band), Nirvana (band), Kiss (band), etc... Alternately, if consensus finds that a PDAB exception isn't warranted, then the redirect should be retargeted to the dabpage. 162 etc. (talk) 07:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - Oasis (band), Nirvana (band), Kiss (band) are local consensus annoyances bucking the way en.wp works. Those should be brought into line with the rest of en.wp, not make pop bands a case for being entirely different to the rest of the encyclopaedia and have WP:PRIMARYBAND WP:PRIMARYMOLLUSC and so on... Who is it harming to learn that Exodus (American band) are an American band? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per In ictu oculi. I entirely agree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support. WP:INCDAB explicitly allows for articles to be considered the primary topic of a title with ambiguous parenthetical disambiguation. This carve-out was established due to the consensus found in a 2019 RfC. INCDAB does go on to state that the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation, but I think that threshold is met in this case, as pageview analysis demonstrates that the American band receives almost 100 times as many pageviews as the Polish one. Nor is this form of partial disambiguation unique to popular music topics – WP:PDAB collects examples of this being used, and we see it in accepted use on topics including sportspeople, operas, magazines, transportation, and more. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

So why is it a vanishing small number of mainly pop topics? Does Exodus (American band) belong to the mega-exception elite - no. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:44, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I would argue that the predominance of pop topics among this form of disambiguation mostly comes down to circumstantial factors that make biographies and works of art disproportionately likely to have ambiguous disambiguation in the first place – namely, these are categories in which new members (1) can be added in a largely unbounded fashion and (2) are assigned names in a decentralized, semi-arbitrary way. Thus, overlapping names can emerge relatively freely in these areas. All that being said, I think the key question at play here is just whether Exodus (American band) meets the threshold outlined in INCDAB, so I'm not sure I see the relevance of the "why pop topics" question in the first place. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

That last sentence added to WP:INCDAB is disruptive and goes against WP:CRITERIA. @ModernDayTrilobite: would you object to Exodus (band) becoming a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT instead? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

That sounds good to me – the initially proposed move is still my top preference, but I think a primary redirect would be a useful compromise. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Exodus (band) is already a primary redirect. The reason behind the RM is that this status quo is bad - if both Exodus (band) and Exodus (American band) are the same article, then why keep the superfluous disambiguation? 162 etc. (talk) 20:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This band gets over 99% of pageviews in a WP:ONEOTHER situation, easily meeting the criteria at WP:INCDAB. More importantly, though, oppose retargeting the redirect if the article is not moved. That will only harm the vast majority of the 59 readers per day using the redirect to get to the article they want. Station1 (talk) 09:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support. If this isn't a case of a primary topic for an incomplete disambiguation, then I don't really know what is: the American band has a 130–to-1 lead in pageviews over the past year, which is enough for a primary topic under almost any standard and is higher even than most of the others at WP:PDAB. The opposers seem to just disagree with the last few sentences of WP:INCDAB, and while that's fine (there are plenty of guidelines that I disagree with too), it's a reason to support changing the guideline, not to oppose individual RMs. (If this RM is unsuccessful, though, I do agree with 162 that the redirect should be retargeted.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

As a reminder, this is what INCDAB says

Incomplete disambiguation Shortcuts WP:INCDAB WP:INCOMPDAB See also: Wikipedia:Partially disambiguated page names Usually, a qualified title that is still ambiguous has no primary topic, and therefore should redirect to the disambiguation page (or to a section of it). This aids navigation and helps editors avoid accidentally creating new articles under the still-ambiguous title. Such redirects should be marked with

• From incomplete disambiguation: This is a redirect from an incomplete disambiguation, a page name that is too ambiguous to be the title of an article or other project page. Such titles should redirect to an appropriate disambiguation page (or section of it), or to a more complete disambiguation.

(which places them under Category:Redirects from incomplete disambiguation). For example, Aurora (album) is a redirect:

1. REDIRECT Aurora (disambiguation)#Albums

• From incomplete disambiguation: This is a redirect from an incomplete disambiguation, a page name that is too ambiguous to be the title of an article or other project page. Such titles should redirect to an appropriate disambiguation page (or section of it), or to a more complete disambiguation.

In some cases, it may be more appropriate to redirect readers to a list rather than a disambiguation page. For example, Cleveland (NFL) should not be a disambiguation page, but should instead redirect to List of Cleveland sports teams#Football.

In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. See List of partially disambiguated article titles.

(cut and paste from guideline) In ictu oculi (talk) 07:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

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